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Old 10.09.2012, 09:33
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

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smoking is a habit and not really an enjoyment and pleasure.
I disagree, at least regarding cigars, which are definitely a pleasure, though I can't remember exactly the last time I smoked one (sometime last month).

Certainly NOT a habit.

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Old 10.09.2012, 10:55
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

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Aaahhh I love it! There is an old saying that goes something like this "There`s no-one as virtuous as an ex-whore" - same goes for ex-smokers. Similar to those religious fanatics who insist on only their own Path To Glory.
It has nothing to do with virtue, it has to do with respect for others. Only once you stop smoking do you realize how negatively you effect those around you and how much non-smokers rightfully resent it. Why should a non-smoker have to have an expensive meal ruined by a jerk at the next table, or protect their kids from idiots waving cigarettes around at eye level on crowded train platforms, or get holes burned in their clothes by the same idiots, or work harder in order compensate for people who work 30-60 minutes less a day because they constantly have to take smoke breaks and take more sick days?

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I was thinking aboout quitting smoking this last week, but recapping over the comments here I just don't think I can.

It seems to much hard work and so difficult to live and survive and enjoy my life. The thought of walking around being disgusted with humanity around me, and convincing myself I am dying all because of these selfish people. Not wanting to join friends, colleagues, or just other humans having fun and enjoying themselves wining, dining and chatting because the vapours of cigarette smoke occupy the air.

Then worrying about my neighbor complaining that I have to wash the god awful smell out of my hair, and somehow save my clothers from the bile inducing smell they succomb to.

Plus, it feels too good to know you get to people so easily.
In short, you're so hopelessly weak and addicted that being merely being annoyed at a stranger's comments on the internet is enough of a valid excuse in your nicotine addled mind to continue to take the easy route, wasting money and damaging your health and those around you. Got it.
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Old 10.09.2012, 11:02
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

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It has nothing to do with virtue, it has to do with respect for others. Only once you stop smoking do you realize how negatively you effect those around you and how much non-smokers rightfully resent it. Why should a non-smoker have to have an expensive meal ruined by a jerk at the next table, or protect their kids from idiots waving cigarettes around at eye level on crowded train platforms, or get holes burned in their clothes by the same idiots, or work harder in order compensate for people who work 30-60 minutes less a day because they constantly have to take smoke breaks and take more sick days?



In short, you're so hopelessly weak and addicted that being merely being annoyed at a stranger's comments on the internet is enough of a valid excuse in your nicotine addled mind to continue to take the easy route, wasting money and damaging your health and those around you. Got it.
Awwww, how sweet, it has been a long time since I have had such beautiful words put to me.

I wonder if the sarcasm comes off better on this post.

Love you too

P.S. My money, my health, no one elses.
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Old 12.09.2012, 21:59
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

Just as an update. According to the TV-news today, a recent opinion poll revealed that the law proposal will be rejected in the upcoming vote
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Old 12.09.2012, 22:18
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Just as an update. According to the TV-news today, a recent opinion poll revealed that the law proposal will be rejected in the upcoming vote
According to most of my Swiss friends and my own instinct, it will fail. Most people are happy with the way it is.
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According to most of my Swiss friends and my own instinct, it will fail. Most people are happy with the way it is.
That's what I'm picking up, too. I think in this case, common-sense is prevailing. There is already a smoking ban which enables non-smokers to work and socialise out of a smokey atmosphere but I think it draws the line at banning smoking in comparative open spaces in the open air.
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Old 12.09.2012, 22:42
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

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That's what I'm picking up, too. I think in this case, common-sense is prevailing. There is already a smoking ban which enables non-smokers to work and socialise out of a smokey atmosphere but I think it draws the line at banning smoking in comparative open spaces in the open air.
TWO aspects are to be emphasized. First of all, interesting will be to see the results by canton . This will be studied intensively. Second, the Lungenliga may learn that they have to stick to progress by canton.

For example, the Zürich ban would have no chance in the Canton of Schwyz but possibly a very good chance in the Canton of Schaffhausen.
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TWO aspects are to be emphasized. First of all, interesting will be to see the results by canton . This will be studied intensively. Second, the Lungenliga may learn that they have to stick to progress by canton.

For example, the Zürich ban would have no chance in the Canton of Schwyz but possibly a very good chance in the Canton of Schaffhausen.
The only place this referendum would pass in Switzerland is on the English Forum.
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Old 12.09.2012, 23:21
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

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The only place this referendum would pass in Switzerland is on the English Forum.
Wrong. According to the GFS it is a 52% NO unionwide, and as there for sure are Cantons with overwhelming NO majorities there certainly also are Cantons with YES majorities. So that, whatever the final result will be, the results by Canton will be interesting. And will be important on a Cantonal level. The new opinion poll may mobilize YES-voters again. So that the final result will most likely be narrow .....
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

Oh, don`t worry about it. It will come. Slowly but surely it will come.
If not this year, then in the years ahead.
This is just the thin edge of the wedge .........
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Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

(Hey smokers, please don't post a bunch of posts about how closed-minded I am for disliking smoking and wishing that it was governmentally regulated. I'm just asking a question here.)

I don't smoke and I hate smoking and I especially dislike when people smoke sitting right next to you in the outdoor seating section of a restaurant or bar. A few people have mentioned that there is some sort of smoking ban to be voted on which will regulate "passive smoking" in indoor and outdoor spaces here in Switzerland (Zurich, specifically), but I can't seem to find any mention of such a vote. I did find that there is a vote for a federal indoor smoking ban, which doesn't really change my life much considering this already exists in Zurich. Here's an article about that vote:

http://www.thelocal.ch/page/view/vot...ed-smoking-ban

Does anyone know if some sort of law like this is under consideration?
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Re: Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

Keep up, dear...

http://www.englishforum.ch/swiss-pol...23-2012-a.html
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Re: Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

Eye-opener of the day: at least one forum member is getting his news from The Local
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Re: Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

Sandgrounder,

Thanks, but I don't feel like it was necessary for you to berate me with "keep up..." as if its easy to find this thread. If you search in the main search bar for the words "smokers", "smoke", "cigarette", or "ban", you do not find this thread. I appreciate you pointing me here, however.
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Thanks, but I don't feel like it was necessary for you to berate me with "keep up..." as if its easy to find this thread. If you search in the main search bar for the words "smokers", "smoke", "cigarette", or "ban", you do not find this thread. I appreciate you pointing me here, however.

Awww, how can you feel chastised when I follow it with a lovely yellow smiley.
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Re: Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

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And fortunately, once it´s voted on, you won´t hear about it again for a long time.
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Sharkbait, why is that?
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

That's pushing it. I understand the smoking ban inside but outside??

I guess it has become so awkward to resort to simple communication to ask whether the smoker can smoke a bit farther/ finish the cigarette elsewhere because the smoke is bothering you.

Perhaps soon we will have a Ban It smartphone app that would allow us to do an express 15 minute referendum and ban people from wearing red coats, taking over 0.5 meter steps or being bald? Fantastic.

Cheers,
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Old 13.09.2012, 16:22
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I guess it has become so awkward to resort to simple communication to ask whether the smoker can smoke a bit farther/ finish the cigarette elsewhere because the smoke is bothering you.
You've got to be joking, haven't you?

My wife expressed a wish that the outside, but covered, eating area of a childrens' sports event be non-smoking. She was one of the organisers.

It didn't happen. The Swiss feeling is that if something is allowed by law then consideration does not come into it.

Even most of the non-smokers considered it the smokers' rights to smoke.
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Sandgrounder,

Thanks, but I don't feel like it was necessary for you to berate me with "keep up..." as if its easy to find this thread. If you search in the main search bar for the words "smokers", "smoke", "cigarette", or "ban", you do not find this thread. I appreciate you pointing me here, however.
And if you look at the posters at most Bahnhofs for the last month you find it without even looking at the EF. Admittedly not in english but then why should it be when the posters are clear
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