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Re: Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

I hardly ever go to the Bahnhof as my work connection does not include that stop, so I wouldn't have seen it there either.
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Re: Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

I was a smoker, I think outdoor smoking ban is very... too many ppl smoking in the tram stop and on the street in Switzerland. It is not good for the health of the non-smoker... not fair also...
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I was a smoker, I think outdoor smoking ban is very... too many ppl smoking in the tram stop and on the street in Switzerland. It is not good for the health of the non-smoker... not fair also...
Its definitely a different attitude here about smoking. I think that if they were still smoking indoors here when I arrived, I might have just moved back. In my mind, I support your stance that passive smoking at tram stops or wherever is bad for the overall health of the non-smoker, but its not certain that this is backed up by scientific facts. Passive smoke can definitely give waiters and bartenders problems and definitely gives cancer to people who live in a house with a smoker, but its uncertain whether it affects your average person standing at a tram stop next to a smoker outside.

I do think its weird, though, that people don't find it rude to just walk up next to you and light up a cigarette. On some levels, it would be the same as me just walking up next to a stranger at a tram stop and farting. In fact, farting is far more natural and necessary than smoking, but I'm pretty sure that Swiss people would get offended if I did that. I haven't tested this hypothesis yet though.
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Its definitely a different attitude here about smoking. I think that if they were still smoking indoors here when I arrived, I might have just moved back. In my mind, I support your stance that passive smoking at tram stops or wherever is bad for the overall health of the non-smoker, but its not certain that this is backed up by scientific facts. Passive smoke can definitely give waiters and bartenders problems and definitely gives cancer to people who live in a house with a smoker, but its uncertain whether it affects your average person standing at a tram stop next to a smoker outside.

I do think its weird, though, that people don't find it rude to just walk up next to you and light up a cigarette. On some levels, it would be the same as me just walking up next to a stranger at a tram stop and farting. In fact, farting is far more natural and necessary than smoking, but I'm pretty sure that Swiss people would get offended if I did that. I haven't tested this hypothesis yet though.
I like your example on farting... The fact is that it is not good for everyone...
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I like your example on farting... The fact is that it is not good for everyone...
Farting is very healthy and neccessary for good health. Only smokers should not be allowed to fart as they may be releasing toxins in the atmosphere that could endanger life.
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On some levels, it would be the same as me just walking up next to a stranger at a tram stop and farting. In fact, farting is far more natural and necessary than smoking, but I'm pretty sure that Swiss people would get offended if I did that. I haven't tested this hypothesis yet though.
And what about using an overdosis of eau de toilette?
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Re: Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

I smoke outside where the dog runs free. Will I be sued for animal cruelty now?
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I smoke outside where the dog runs free. Will I be sued for animal cruelty now?
Your dog runs FREE?! That is very dangerous! What if it pees on someone`s plants or rocks? And you smoke where your dog is trying to get some fresh air? How inconsiderate of you.
Walking dogs and smoking at the same time - ugh. Have you no consideration for the other dogs and their walkers?
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Farting is very healthy and neccessary for good health. Only smokers should not be allowed to fart as they may be releasing toxins in the atmosphere that could endanger life.
Not to mention that smokers who fart may just ignite more than they bargained for when they light up.
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I'm glad we're mostly talking about farting now. People argue less about farting than smoking. Please don't start farting on your dog too, though.
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I especially dislike when people smoke sitting right next to you in the outdoor seating section of a restaurant or bar.[/B]

Does anyone know if some sort of law like this is under consideration?
Don`t you know that those outdoor seating areas have been specially constructed for Smokers?
Non-smokers have the entire comfortable inside to sit in, especially now that summer has ended, and snow is expected in a few months.

As yet there is no consideration to ban outdoor smoking, but I shall surely make mention of it next time I`m having coffee with my fellow Bundesrat friends. They enjoy to have new little laws to entertain the public with.
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Re: Outdoor Smoking Ban Vote?

As I read the referendum, this is just a smoking ban for indoor public spaces for the whole country, right? There is no vote against smoking outside. Is this correct?
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

Hey Administrator, why did you move this post? I was asking if there is an outdoor smoking vote happening? The answer was no. Its a different referendum, but the topic is different.
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Any stats or polling data on which way this might swing?...Would love to see smoking reduced in public areas...Shocked on a recent visit even in southern France that there now seems to be less smoking there than in Suisse!
There is clearly more smoking in southern France than in Switzerland and as this
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fra...e-renforce.php

report shows, the prohibition in France is not without problems. A major advantage however is that in France, rail-stations IN TOTAL have a smoking ban. The Fumoirs in Switzerland interestingly made the smoking more visible.
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

As a result of this thread, I've just lit a Cuban!

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I disagree, at least regarding cigars, which are definitely a pleasure, though I can't remember exactly the last time I smoked one (sometime last month).

Certainly NOT a habit.

Tom
I meant cigarette smoking. Smoking a Sheesha or a Pipe or a Cigar of course really IS an enjoyable pleasure. And Sheesha or Pipe smoking is NOT a habit.
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(Hey smokers, please don't post a bunch of posts about how closed-minded I am for disliking smoking and wishing that it was governmentally regulated. I'm just asking a question here.)

I don't smoke and I hate smoking and I especially dislike when people smoke sitting right next to you in the outdoor seating section of a restaurant or bar. A few people have mentioned that there is some sort of smoking ban to be voted on which will regulate "passive smoking" in indoor and outdoor spaces here in Switzerland (Zurich, specifically), but I can't seem to find any mention of such a vote. I did find that there is a vote for a federal indoor smoking ban, which doesn't really change my life much considering this already exists in Zurich. Here's an article about that vote:

http://www.thelocal.ch/page/view/vot...ed-smoking-ban

Does anyone know if some sort of law like this is under consideration?
There is no law-proposal around to prohibit smoking outdoors. There are some considerations of that kind, but with the outcome of the present initiative either being a very narrow yes or simply a no, the approach will be changed, changed in three ways
A) no longer on federal level but Canton by Canton
B) no longer "general things" but limited objectives like "all rail-stations in the Canton of Zürich" or "1.65 meter from the doors of restaurants"
C) combined A+B proposals like "smoking ban in publicly owned public parks in the Canton of Zürich"

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And fortunately, once it´s voted on, you won´t hear about it again for a long time.
You forget that the expected Federal "NO" will include Cantonal YES majorities, and those YES-majorities will play a heavy role and ensure that you will hear a lot about new ideas but not on the federal level. You btw. are in a privileged position as you parts of your live live(d) in THREE federalist countries. And in the USA, in Switzerland and in India, the member states have different laws/rules/regulations for many things. You in the recent past could see that Cantonal laws were overruling and remained valid even after the more limited Federal Ban became federal law.

I expect that the "clash of civilisations" on the Zürich<>Schwyz border will grow, as SZ will stay on the basis of the minimalist Federal Ban, while ZH will see intensivations of the already existing Cantonal Smoking Ban. It for example will be highly interesting to see the result of Schaffhausen

AND, it even is possible that there will be a YES majority of votes, but a NO majority of Cantons, which would be a legal NO. It would not be the first time. The "Stände-Mehr" is the one which counts in Switzerland.

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As a result of this thread, I've just lit a Cuban!
I know it makes people angry, but immolation is not the way.
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I meant cigarette smoking. Smoking a Sheesha or a Pipe or a Cigar of course really IS an enjoyable pleasure. And Sheesha or Pipe smoking is NOT a habit.
Of course not! It`s smoke of a different ........ different ......ummmm... different ...... something or other!
And you don`t smoke your Sheesha at bus stops or train stations hey?
And that doesnt have filter tips you drop on the ground!
And pipes just go back in your pocket, ditto the filter tips.
And cigars .... they are just for the "mens club" scene?..deep leather armchairs, cognac, male thingy no women/children/dogs allowed hey?

Coming up next: Banning Sheesha pipes, Cigars, and Pipes.

And next next: Banning private clubs, all forms of tobacco, deep leather armchairs, anything containing alcohol, and glass forms other than water glasses.

And next next next: Banning sport on TV - you have to attend a live match. You may only watch advertisements on television, so you know what to buy.
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