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Old 16.08.2012, 13:34
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Sorry, I am not understanding... I read the entire thread, and saw most were telling you about bars, etc. I just thought a different spin might have some interest to you... ok, I will go back and edit out my link as i did provide some helpful information in the blog itself about the area.

For me... meeting people doesn't happen in a bar, but usually out hiking, on the bike, or some other similar way, including on a photowalk.

Maybe you can explain to me where I failed... this is such a short thread I don't even know how you thought I could not have read it all.

Sorry sashimiso, I'm just having a bit of fun! It's a piece of nonsense writing.
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Old 17.08.2012, 17:10
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Re: Bored in Zug...

I can empathise. It's not that Zug is boring though, it's that it is difficult to build a group of friends who are here to stay rather than passing through. It's hard work.

There is a new German conversation group that has started if you look in the events calendar. Nothing heavy, just relaxing in the shade having a conversation and getting to know new people.
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Old 17.08.2012, 17:26
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There is no town the world over where you'll find interesting young people out walking on a Sunday morning.
London! They're wandering around, looking over dressed and dazed; trying to work out how to get home. And, oddly, Stuttgart, as they're moving from one club to another one.
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Old 17.08.2012, 17:30
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Re: Bored in Zug...

I have news for you.

It is actually impossible to integrate in Switzerland.

Doesn't matter in which city you live or the age group you are.

Simply, doesn't happen.

you can find a expat group and start to feel you found your group of friends, but it eventually will dissolve and everybody go elsewhere and you will have to start over again.

The locals won't want you, they will be polite and nice with you, they would do any sort of activities with you, but will never ever let you in their social circle.

You would have to have born here and made the school together or at least have lived a life-changing experience with them to get past the "Kollegen" denomination and become a friend.

So in other words, this will never happen.

The only way to get at least the closest experience to "be integrated" is to marry a local, in that way you could maybe someday become part of his/her social circle. Or just become someone's husband/wife and stay in the same situation as before.

The only way to "get integrated" with some social group is simply to get back to your country of origin and try there, that is, before you get into the 5th phase of immigration and then feel as a foreigner in your own land.

And I am talking here just about the standard social life, we don't even talk about a community or political life, that is simply inexistent for a foreigner.

sorry if I sound negative to you, but I have been here 16 years and went full circle many times in many swiss cities, social, activity and sportive groups. so I know what I am talking about.

on the other hand, today is sunny and it is the weekend so you better enjoy it
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Re: Bored in Zug...

Wrong, Prague is always full of interesting young people out on Sunday mornings as everything is open there all week unlike boring Switzerland, which I'm starting to hate. I feel like I'm leaving in a giant retirement home or cimetery.

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There is no town the world over where you'll find interesting young people out walking on a Sunday morning.

I forget the name of it, but there's a pub in Zug near the old town that's open late - try that one. Chicago bar is also good.
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Old 19.08.2012, 21:04
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Re: Bored in Zug...

Plus Kloten is a rude word in Dutch.

It made KLM flights to Zürich amusing.

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I live in Kloten with 17,000 other people. In Kloten there are 133, yes 133, clubs and vereine. So why don't you join something instead of walking around on your own...!
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Old 19.08.2012, 21:09
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Re: Bored in Zug...

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Wrong, Prague is always full of interesting young people out on Sunday mornings as everything is open there all week unlike boring Switzerland, which I'm starting to hate. I feel like I'm leaving in a giant retirement home or cimetery.
What's stopping you from moving away?
I certainly wouldn't stay in a country that I hate.
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Old 19.08.2012, 21:11
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Re: Bored in Zug...

Unfortunately I can't (personal reasons) , If I could I would...

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What's stopping you from moving away?
I certainly wouldn't stay in a country that I hate.
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Old 20.08.2012, 11:08
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Sorry sashimiso, I'm just having a bit of fun! It's a piece of nonsense writing.
oh, that is good.. I though I was about to enter in a mile long, useless back and forth
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Unfortunately I can't (personal reasons) , If I could I would...
In which case, somehow, you have to make the best of it or be miserable forever. Switzerland IS different from many other places, but learn to live the differences instead of fighting them. Sitting on the fence will get you nowhere, sorry If you can't move away, there is only one thing to do- get on with it in the best possible way. Go to non-language classes at MigrosSchule, or join a club, badminton, whatever- try to become closer to some of the locals, who don't necessarily move within a year or two. The Swiss in general are harder to make friends with at first- but once friends, friends forever.

Zug is lovely but ... tax havens attract a 'certain' type, perhaps for all the wrong reasons - and they come and go - moving their money around with them - isle of Man, Cayman Islands, wherever.

And what is the point in living in a tax haven where everything, from flats to coffee, cost 2 to 3 times more than anywhere else.
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Re: Bored in Zug...

Ever tried stand-up paddling on Zug lake?
http://www.supacademy.ch/galerie/

If you prefer to sit and row, then join the Ruderclub in Cham, right by the lake - you can't miss it.


If you want a livelier night life or social life as a single person, then a move to Zurich or Lucerne would be wise.
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Old 20.08.2012, 12:15
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you pay less tax, that is the great thing about living in Zug.
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Old 20.08.2012, 12:28
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It is actually impossible to integrate in Switzerland.

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The locals won't want you, they will be polite and nice with you, they would do any sort of activities with you, but will never ever let you in their social circle.


What a load of crap.



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sorry if I sound negative to you, but I have been here 16 years and went full circle many times in many swiss cities, social, activity and sportive groups. so I know what I am talking about.

Maybe the problem is you and not the Swiss people ??


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Old 20.08.2012, 12:31
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I have news for you.

It is actually impossible to integrate in Switzerland.

Doesn't matter in which city you live or the age group you are.
did you not find it easier to integrate with locals in Geneva?
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Old 21.08.2012, 21:58
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did you not find it easier to integrate with locals in Geneva?
Indeed, but they were always expat groups that eventually dissolved and everyone took a different direction.

That's why I said that those social circles doesn't last and you eventually have to start all over again.

Btw I have a much richer social life here in Zurich, but now that I have learned how things work here, I don't fall in the mistake of believing the illusion the all those "activity partners" or "Kollegen" are actually friends.

The swiss people as the one who called me out in this thread don't understand what I am saying because they see things in a different way and this kind of social "exclusiveness" they practice is actually normal and desirable. Our kind of social "inclusiveness" is a total unknown concept for them.

For that reason I tend to integrate now with established foreigners, mainly "secondos" Italian and Spanish, who actually understand what we go through as they have the same kind of experience as me even though they were born here, and well at least I know it is not likely that they will someday leave as the expats do.
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Old 21.08.2012, 22:10
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Re: Bored in Zug...

We will be in zug this weekend my kids are Bmx racing if you want to have some fun watching the races have some drinks lunch come along.
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Re: Bored in Zug...

Hey there! I'm looking for a movie buddy. If you're interested let me Know. I am definitely NOT boring, this you will discover if we get in touch.
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Hey there! I'm looking for a movie buddy. If you're interested let me Know. I am definitely NOT boring, this you will discover if we get in touch.
Good idea, sitting in the cinema surrounded by a fantastic alpine landscape just waiting to be discovered.

Just googled STADT ZUG, seems to me that's there's plenty to do.
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Re: Bored in Zug...

After a year and half in Lausanne, I find Zug a much nicer place to live. With that said, I still haven't made a single friend I can go on a walk with or watch a movie with in eight months! I'm getting to be a bit pathetic. If anyone wants to connect, please PM me!
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Old 22.08.2012, 11:54
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Isn't Olten in Solothurn? (Rather than Zug - whererever the hell that is!). How could you fail to have fun in Olten? I once bought a camera lens in Olten (Leica Noctilux, actually). Really nice lens.
did you buy it in 1972? if so, wolli, you've been rumbled. no duplicate accounts allowed!
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