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Gone is the hey day of the English Forum, there are still some very nice regular posters, but alas, what we have left are really mostly the rejects (some who even have no connection with Switzerland anymore) who don't like anyone else's strong opinions & are deluded by their own self & EF reject companions.
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Not only are there so many idiots on this forum these days some even making jokes about this subject, these self-styled bullies can be seen for all they are.
For what it's worth, you seem to be more than happy to participate in bully like behavior yourself, reference your words below. How exactly are people who disagree with you supposed to take that statement exactly?

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And remember, if you bully your child in the street you might get shouted at & it might be me, if you are prepared to argue about it, you might just get what bullies deserve.
By the way, by my simple count, you have groaned at 28 separate posts in this thread, basically starting with anyone who disagreed with you. how is this not bullying behavior on your part.

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Exactly! If you thing than a slap is the same as beating the sh*t out of someone then you have a problem
Let's not use "someone" as a general term. We're talking about kids and it's only acceptable when we're talking about kids. Little, defenseless kids, and that's the only reason one can get away with it. Now, whether they need guidance and parenting of that sort and whether it's sometimes a necessary evil is another point of debate. But let's no have any illusions about who the behavior is aimed it. Try slapping an adult in the face with intent, man or woman, and see how far "Hey, it's not like I beat the s**t out of you!" gets you.

Transistor is coming off as a bit histrionic, but the dismissive attitude of some people is a bit disturbing to see. "Get a load of this guy, he says we shouldn't smack our kids! What an IDIOT!" Many people even in the pro-camp have said they never have or never intend to smack their kids. Clearly no one wants to do it. So can't you people admit that implicitly you have more in common than not and not be smug and insulting towards someone who's perhaps too passionate about the issue. Why is having physical dominion over your kids' bodies such a point of pride.
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I have been groaned at by your same little gang on every thread for the last 10 pages, can't any of you lot get a job or something?
Most of us have jobs and families, and a nice slice of objectivity pie. Try a piece you may like it, trust me it's better than the humble pie you should eat and apologies you should make for the over dramatisations, ridiculous aspersions, wildly inaccurate statements and flaming a you have made in this thread.

You may be a nice person, but in this thread you have come across as an intolerant, over-bearing, and with a high level of I'm right and that's it. People get what they deserve, if a child needs a correctional tap sobiet, and adult on here gets... well,what you got.
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Re: Just saw a mother beating the living sh1t out of her kid in Rhine Falls area...

I am the mother of an almost 2 year old and before she was born would have sworn i would never smack my child. About 3 months ago i ended up tapping her on the bum because she went through a stage of thinking taking of running in car parks/garage etc was the funniest thing ever and after her nearly being hit by a car for the 2nd time i tapped her bum and she has never done it again. I am not proud of it and i cried afterwards and i hope i never have to do it again but after months of taking about it,time outs, reading stories etc etc this was the only thing that made her realize this danger.
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Gone is the hey day of the English Forum, there are still some very nice regular posters, but alas, what we have left are really mostly the rejects (some who even have no connection with Switzerland anymore) who don't like anyone else's strong opinions & are deluded by their own self & EF reject companions.

No matter if you experience something very distressing (see original post) & want to share it, the ugly will bear down on you if you can't communicate in their way no matter if, at the time, you reacted in that situation how they would have wanted.

For those who must have thought about me & my bad rep, don't worry, all of it was gained on this thread. Where the idiots tried to argue & groan this discussion their way. I am proud to have gained my 'reputation' the way I did on this thread.

Not only are there so many idiots on this forum these days some even making jokes about this subject, these self-styled bullies can be seen for all they are.

And remember, if you bully your child in the street you might get shouted at & it might be me, if you are prepared to argue about it, you might just get what bullies deserve.
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Old 24.08.2012, 11:44
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Let's not use "someone" as a general term. We're talking about kids and it's only acceptable when we're talking about kids. Little, defenseless kids, and that's the only reason one can get away with it. Now, whether they need guidance and parenting of that sort and whether it's sometimes a necessary evil is another point of debate. But let's no have any illusions about who the behavior is aimed it. Try slapping an adult in the face with intent, man or woman, and see how far "Hey, it's not like I beat the s**t out of you!" gets you.

Transistor is coming off as a bit histrionic, but the dismissive attitude of some people is a bit disturbing to see. "Get a load of this guy, he says we shouldn't smack our kids! What an IDIOT!" Many people even in the pro-camp have said they never have or never intend to smack their kids. Clearly no one wants to do it. So can't you people admit that implicitly you have more in common than not and not be smug and insulting towards someone who's perhaps too passionate about the issue. Why is having physical dominion over your kids' bodies such a point of pride.
Ok. I think that smacking a kid on the bum when they misbehave (and after being told to stop but dont) is prefectly acceptable. Hopefully adults will know to behave properly. Since OH works in the bar industry ive seen some adults as well who really need more than a slap to behave.

Thats my opinion. If you think that im wrong thats absolutely fine.

And i dont think anyone here is proud of being able to slap kids. From what i see there are three sides.

1. People who are against slapping for any reason

2. People who think that a slap is perfectly acceptable if the kid continuously misbehaves after being told not to

3. People who whatever their opinion is, try to force it on others by using names and being mocking and annoying.


We can agree to disagree and thats perfectly civilised. No need to be tw*ts about it
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I am the mother of an almost 2 year old and before she was born would have sworn i would never smack my child. About 3 months ago i ended up tapping her on the bum because she went through a stage of thinking taking of running in car parks/garage etc was the funniest thing ever and after her nearly being hit by a car for the 2nd time i tapped her bum and she has never done it again. I am not proud of it and i cried afterwards and i hope i never have to do it again but after months of taking about it,time outs, reading stories etc etc this was the only thing that made her realize this danger.
A bum tap is waay preferable to a car tap to most.

A child's excitement or exuberance can land them in a much bigger world of hurt much as in your example. I was taking mine river swimming in the UK, which involved a short walk down a rather steep gravelly path. As always the instructions were 'don't run as you may slip and fall'. On 1 occasion, excitement got the better of the middle daughter and she made a dash for it, and the inevitable happened. After removing quite a few layers of her epidermis on her nose, chin, knees and elbows, lots of tears, blood and no doubt pain and a cancelled day... she never did it again, and neither did the other 2, but I would rather have smacked her bum and told her off, than have here look like a real battered child for a few weeks.
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People who choose not to use any sort of physical punishment upon their children have every right to rear their children this way.

People who physically abuse their children are vile.

People who advocate non-physical punishment to the extent that they are unable to see that there is a middle ground and that a nappy-padded bottom slap just might be able to send a message to a two-year-old in a more effective way than a sit-down discussion of the dangers of running away from their parents into the street are self-righteous. And annoying.
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There's a lot of name calling going on here. Please can folks argue the point and not resort to personal insults
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Let's not use "someone" as a general term. We're talking about kids and it's only acceptable when we're talking about kids. Little, defenseless kids, and that's the only reason one can get away with it. Now, whether they need guidance and parenting of that sort and whether it's sometimes a necessary evil is another point of debate. But let's no have any illusions about who the behavior is aimed it. Try slapping an adult in the face with intent, man or woman, and see how far "Hey, it's not like I beat the s**t out of you!" gets you.

Transistor is coming off as a bit histrionic, but the dismissive attitude of some people is a bit disturbing to see. "Get a load of this guy, he says we shouldn't smack our kids! What an IDIOT!" Many people even in the pro-camp have said they never have or never intend to smack their kids. Clearly no one wants to do it. So can't you people admit that implicitly you have more in common than not and not be smug and insulting towards someone who's perhaps too passionate about the issue. Why is having physical dominion over your kids' bodies such a point of pride.
I must admit, as soon as I came up against that BonBon comment (that I was an asshole) & those sick jokes & general nastiness I started to feel like it was some kind of argument rather than a discussion. I was wrong. No-one can win, the only use of questions & answers is to gain knowledge & be aware that these things happen on a daily basis.

I wasn't seeking to persecute anyone who chooses to discipline their children in whatever way they seem fit & without excess & I am passionate about this subject through personal reasons & experiences....if I have to be more understanding I can try, but still, I am sure the type of smug & insulting comments I have put up with in this thread are down to those who choose to use force & aren't too comfortable about it as soon as anyone digs deeper.

I'll drop the 'victory' angle you lot, you drop the nastiness, deal?

As for the groans & rep, I couldn't give a monkey's bollocks.
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I must admit, as soon as I came up against that BonBon comment (that I was an asshole) & those sick jokes & general nastiness I started to feel like it was some kind of argument rather than a discussion. I was wrong. No-one can win, the only use questions & answers is to gain knowledge & be aware that these things happen on a daily basis.

I wasn't seeking to persecute anyone who chooses to discipline their children in whatever way they seem fit & without excess & I am passionate about this subject through personal reasons & experiences....if I have to be more understanding I can try, but still, I am sure the type of smug & insulting comments I have put up with in this thread are down to those who choose to use force & aren't too comfortable about it as soon as anyone digs deeper.

I'll drop the 'victory' angle you lot, you drop the nastiness & groaning, deal?
Who are you and what did you do to transistror?
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There's a lot of name calling going on here. Please can folks argue the point and not resort to personal insults


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Re: Just saw a mother beating the living sh1t out of her kid in Rhine Falls area...

The reason I called you an asshole was because of this post, which in light of your last post I am sure you would agree it was kind of 'assholish' thing to say.
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If there is just one person who now thinks twice about hitting their child that this thread has influenced, then the joke is on you & if some of you think this was meant to be some kind of argument, I won it, hands down.

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I must admit, as soon as I came up against that BonBon comment (that I was an asshole) & those sick jokes & general nastiness I started to feel like it was some kind of argument rather than a discussion. I was wrong. No-one can win, the only use of questions & answers is to gain knowledge & be aware that these things happen on a daily basis.

I wasn't seeking to persecute anyone who chooses to discipline their children in whatever way they seem fit & without excess & I am passionate about this subject through personal reasons & experiences....if I have to be more understanding I can try, but still, I am sure the type of smug & insulting comments I have put up with in this thread are down to those who choose to use force & aren't too comfortable about it as soon as anyone digs deeper.

I'll drop the 'victory' angle you lot, you drop the nastiness, deal?

As for the groans & rep, I couldn't give a monkey's bollocks.

You are probably not an asshole and probably a decent person with strong views on this particular subject but what you have to remember is that there will be others with a different view, it does not mean they are wrong and you are right (and vice versus). We do have the freedom to bring up our children how we want, there is no right or wrong way.

Anyway opinions are like assholes................everyone has one.
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Who are you and what did you do to transistror?
Explain what you are on about.

See, I agree it can be down to the way you do things....although I still think hitting is not the answer.

The other day I heard a father saying to his sons "If you start playing up, I will pull your hair and punch you".. no violence, but equally shocking...in the same week a mother to her sons & daughter.. "i will give you a good hiding if you start fighting between you"..

Maybe I'm a sensitive chap, but I still can't help thinking what all this is about & shouldn't one have a stronger relationship to their own children so when they see her/him getting upset they will stop?
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Re: Just saw a mother beating the living sh1t out of her kid in Rhine Falls area...

while the pros and cons of hitting children are fruitfully debated could we change the ghastly title of this thread? I can't read it any more every time I click "new posts" I get a shock.
I suggest:
"just-saw-mother-hugging-her kid and telling him/her how much she loved him/her-rhine-falls-area"
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... it does not mean they are wrong and you are right (and vice versus). We do have the freedom to bring up our children how we want, there is no right or wrong way.
Yein. I think we can all agree that there are some limits...

@ Ruskov - tbh, I don't agree with comparing appropriate behaviour for adults with appropriate behaviour for children de facto.

What is acceptable behaviour with adults may not be for children and, very much, vice versa.

While we should treat all with respect, that does not mean that you should necessarily treat children like adults. Children are not adults and should not be treated as such. I shudder when I hear other parents saying they treat their children like are "little adults". Does that mean you send them out to work, charge them for rent etc.?

That means I just don't and won't agree with the comparison of "well, you wouldn't do that to an adult, so..." or "it would be gbh if you did that to an adult...".
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Yein. I think we can all agree that there are some limits...

@ Ruskov - tbh, I don't agree with comparing appropriate behaviour for adults with appropriate behaviour for children de facto.

What is acceptable behaviour with adults may not be for children and, very much, vice versa.

While we should treat all with respect, that does not mean that you should necessarily treat children like adults. Children are not adults and should not be treated as such. I shudder when I hear other parents saying they treat their children like are "little adults". Does that mean you send them out to work, charge them for rent etc.?

That means I just don't and won't agree with the comparison of "well, you wouldn't do that to an adult, so..." or "it would be gbh if you did that to an adult...".
I realize that, my issue was with it being applied as a general rule to "someone", as if it could be done to just anyone with the same consequences. No, the action is only deemed as acceptable when it's a child. In fact, child are treated like adults when the punishment is carried out by anyone but the parents of the child. Teachers can't do it, family members deemed not close enough can't do it, strangers certainly can't do it without risking assault charges. To me there's a quite obvious pattern forming of most people agreeing that it's not an ideal solution. And while there's no official cut-off age to stop doing it, let's face it: it's when they're big enough to hit back. I wish many of the cries of "Don't tell me how to raise my kids!" didn't ring hollow to me, but I can't help but hear "Don't tell me what to do with my property" instead. The tolerance for physical reprimanding of children is on its way out and has been for decades, no one can deny that. And while it obviously won't go away completely (it's unenforceable anyway), and I'm sure most of today's parents are reasonable about it, I wish it was treated as the last unfortunate resort that it is and not something to be defended tooth and nail with the condescending glee we saw in this thread.
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+ DINGO: Bad, wicked, naughty Zoot! She has been setting fire to our beacon, which I have just remembered - is grail-shaped ... It is not the first time we've had this problem.

+ GALAHAD: It's not the real Grail?

DINGO: Wicked wicked Zoot ... she is a bad person and she must pay the penalty. And here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment ... you must tie her down on a bed ... and spank her. Come!

GIRLS: A spanking! A spanking!

DINGO: You must spank her well and after you have spanked her you may deal with her as you like and then ... spank me.

AMAZING: And spank me!

STUNNER: And me.

LOVELY: And me.

DINGO: Yes, yes, you must give us all a good spanking!

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We do have the freedom to bring up our children how we want, there is no right or wrong way.
Yein. I think we can all agree that there are some limits...
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... and among others (like ethics and a general behavior towards children and - more generally - vulnerable living beings on this earth, inspired by deontology) those limits are well defined by law.
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...Transistor is coming off as a bit histrionic, ...
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Indeed. I may prevent my children from accessing the internet for a week, but if I tried that with my wife...
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