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Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

Dear all,

2 years after, I came back to the forum! 2 years that I spent in bussy Madrid. Enought!

Now, as I am planning to move, I have three different options, all very different from eachothers, and for this reason I would welcome any tips regarding cost of living in Frankfurt with a salary of 75k€ or in Geneva with115k chf.

I am just begining my 30's and I will move with my GF who will start looking for an other job as engineer as soon as we move up.

Anybody has some experince about where I can get more out of each salary in Frankfurt or in Geneva? About Spain I have some idea already.

Thank you!
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Re: Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

Well, this should get you started for Geneva:

FAQ: Is CHF100'000 a good salary?
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Dear all,

2 years after, I came back to the forum! 2 years that I spent in bussy Madrid. Enought!

Now, as I am planning to move, I have three different options, all very different from eachothers, and for this reason I would welcome any tips regarding cost of living in Frankfurt with a salary of 75k€ or in Geneva with115k chf.

I am just begining my 30's and I will move with my GF who will start looking for an other job as engineer as soon as we move up.

Anybody has some experince about where I can get more out of each salary in Frankfurt or in Geneva? About Spain I have some idea already.

Thank you!
Affordable housing in or around Geneva is practically non-existent. This may help sway your decision in one direction or another. Saw an advertisement to take over an apartment in Eaux-Vives - lots of lovely, enthusiastic remarks about it...... until the crunch = CHF4,500 per MONTH.
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Re: Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

Hmmm I would go for Spain as the quality of life is good, but it really depends on the city as 60K on barcelona for instance will probably get you nowhere further than 115K in Geneva
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Re: Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

Thanks a lot guys!

The fact is that I reallized that renting prices in Geneva are just hilaryous, nothing compare with what I used to pay in Zurich and sourroundings 4 and 3 yeqrs ago. I will work near by Parc des Acacias, and I will love to live out of the city in a calm village neqr the mountains, and I will not discard living in Frances as I have a car, but I miss a lot of patient on the traffic jams...

I got the offer of Frankfurt and the one in North Spain, slightly cheaper than Madrid or Barcelona. And during this week I will have the final call with the swiss firma, and as I already told them I will not accept anythin below 110k, I expect to be offered something around and I want to be prepared to discuss the salary issue with them.

And yes, I was shocked with the Geneva renting prives and I start to doubt that Geneva will be the best option...
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Re: Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

I would go to Frankfurt. The Germans are honest, they like the British, and their laws are very comprehensive, with good consumer and employee protection. Engineering jobs are easier to find in Frankfurt than in Geneva.

Geneva is a mad house, very expensive and difficult to find anywhere affordable. Very poor legal protection for the unwary, just read the Forum!
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Re: Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

I'd also say the Frankfurt deal doesnt sound too bad. Of course I dont know what your job is, but the salary sounds good for German standard. You should be able to get around there. Frankfurt is a wonderful city, I considered going there before I got my offer from Switzerland
The cost of living is definetely not as high as in Geneva and rent wont be that incredible. And I agree on good job chances for your GF with OPEL very near in Rüsselsheim.
With a car you can choose to live outside of Frankfurt, but be aware of the airport area - Its a very, very busy airport and noise is a serious issue. The north of Frankfurt or in direction of Mainz is supposed to be nice. I hope you like wine

Whatever you decide - good luck for your fresh start! If you need help on some German-related issues, feel free to contact me!
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Re: Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

Personally I would gouge out both my eyes with a blunt spoon before I moved back to Germany. There's certainly plenty of "comprehensive laws" and "consumer and employee protection" also known as red tape and jobsworth bureaucracy. There's also some casual rudeness, crap quality food, and service with a scowl to match. I don't know Frankfurt very well, but it always seemed a bit colourless to me, but I guess more "big city" amenities than Geneva.

All that having been said, I would think 75k would get you quite a long way in Germany these days! Key question is, how long before you gouge out your eyes with a blunt spoon?
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If you can get a job paying 75k in Frankfurt, then you should be able to negotiate 130k for Geneva. What line of work are you in?
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Personally I would gouge out both my eyes with a blunt spoon before I moved back to Germany. There's certainly plenty of "comprehensive laws" and "consumer and employee protection" also known as red tape and jobsworth bureaucracy. There's also some casual rudeness, crap quality food, and service with a scowl to match.
Where in Germany did you live? It sounds like you had some really bad experiences there. Do you find life in Switzerland much better?
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Where in Germany did you live? It sounds like you had some really bad experiences there.
Sounds like Berlin.
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Dear all,

2 years after, I came back to the forum! 2 years that I spent in bussy Madrid. Enought!

Now, as I am planning to move, I have three different options, all very different from eachothers, and for this reason I would welcome any tips regarding cost of living in Frankfurt with a salary of 75k€ or in Geneva with115k chf.

I am just begining my 30's and I will move with my GF who will start looking for an other job as engineer as soon as we move up.

Anybody has some experince about where I can get more out of each salary in Frankfurt or in Geneva? About Spain I have some idea already.

Thank you!
Clearly Frankfurt, as it's fairly large city with more options in terms of..well in terms of everything compared to Geneva. Also, it is a safer and cleaner place with a great airport, which allows you to get awesome deals for every possible destination. I'ver never been to Barcelona...thus I would recommend Frankfurt over Geneva.
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And I agree on good job chances for your GF with OPEL very near in Rüsselsheim.
Well, Opel is going down the drain, but there's a lot more for engineers in and around Frankfurt (like the fast-growing Hyundai development center)
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Clearly Frankfurt, as it's fairly large city with more options in terms of..well in terms of everything compared to Geneva. A
except for skiing and sailing.
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Personally I would gouge out both my eyes with a blunt spoon before I moved back to Germany. There's certainly plenty of "comprehensive laws" and "consumer and employee protection" also known as red tape and jobsworth bureaucracy. There's also some casual rudeness, crap quality food, and service with a scowl to match. I don't know Frankfurt very well, but it always seemed a bit colourless to me, but I guess more "big city" amenities than Geneva.

All that having been said, I would think 75k would get you quite a long way in Germany these days! Key question is, how long before you gouge out your eyes with a blunt spoon?
Lol

I spent one year in Stuttgart in douring my erasmus times, and was not so bad. But I must admit, erasmus are never bad times!!

And from my both experiences, y feel laws and punishments much, much worse in Switzerland...

And up to now, One of the biggest point of conssidering Geneva is skiing and the landscapes. Amazing for me. Frankfurt, even if I will work in the north of the city, also seems to me slightly colourless.

Anybody has an idea about how big a salry should be in Geneva to compare with 75k€ salary in Frankfurt? Regarding q of l and savings at the end ofthe month?

I am a engineer working in the mineral/quarryng industry. Sadly, nothing to do with cars but with big and rude equipments.
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Re: Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

I visited Frankfurt for a weekend and was very impressed by all the activities that take place by the river such as jogging and rowing. Sure, you can go sailing on Lake Geneva but how much would it cost to even moor your boat somewhere?

Geneva is a nice city but it costs a lot to live in a nice area. It also has a big problem with on street drug dealing which takes place in many neighbourhoods. Geneva has lots of parks but unfortunately a few of them are "inhabitated" by drug dealers.

Where are you from OP? Would you find it easier to integrate into French or German culture?
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Dear all,

2 years after, I came back to the forum! 2 years that I spent in bussy Madrid. Enought!

Now, as I am planning to move, I have three different options, all very different from eachothers, and for this reason I would welcome any tips regarding cost of living in Frankfurt with a salary of 75k€ or in Geneva with115k chf.

I am just begining my 30's and I will move with my GF who will start looking for an other job as engineer as soon as we move up.

Anybody has some experince about where I can get more out of each salary in Frankfurt or in Geneva? About Spain I have some idea already.

Thank you!
I would offer you think about all the other variables

- tax rate in Germany
- status of the economy in Spain
- benefits to employees in Switzerland

for me, unless I had an adverse reason to Switz, it would be my first choice, even at a lower salary because of everything else you get with it. of course, geneva is expensive so you may not be out and about every night, but you can make it work
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Re: Decission: Spain 60k - Frankfurt 75k - Geneva 115k chf

60k in Spain would give you a great lifestyle. What part of Spain could you move to?
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I think Mars has some great new opportunities going for it right now. You can play with the landscape explorer, enjoy the great outdoors, collect rock samples and er, that's it.

You'll need about € 150K per week for small necessities like oxygen, food and water and maybe some blankets though.

Does this help?
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Anybody has an idea about how big a salry should be in Geneva to compare with 75k€ salary in Frankfurt?
For same standard of living, after tax and other deductions, I would say around 100k Franks. But the question is: what would the exact same job pay? That's more in the 160k Franks region.
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