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Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

Hi lads/lassies hope this finds ye all in good form

So heres the...

Suitation - Mature Irish guy (30) just graduated with a masters in Supply Chain Mgt

Task - Want to land a Procurement role/job in Switzerland ASAP

Action - Have just started researching but looking for some shrewd advice from ye guys to help me achieve my goal. Any ideas on companies or recruitment firms who would take a chance on an english only speaker?...whom intends learning a 2nd language. Anything niche I should look out?

Result - Get my foot in the door of a Swiss company and work hard

Ill leave it with ye folks any sound advice would be very welcome...Lets make this happen
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Old 16.08.2012, 21:40
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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

Hi Butty,

Can't help you with the STAR, but Welcome to English Forum all the same!
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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

26 years on, I have NEVER worked in a job that required English, ESPECIALLY English only!

English has always been a "nice to have", but by no means important or (less so) a necessity.

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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

It certainly helps to have a second language when looking
for a job. German would be the better choice from a job perspective
IMHO.....

Check out job search websites:

www.jobs.ch
www.jobscout.ch
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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

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Welcome to the Forum. Why do you want to move to Switzerland? It's very expensive and to be honest, not a whole lot of fun compared to Ireland. Depends what you are looking for I suppose. I would try www.indeed.ch for jobs as well and perhaps try multi nationals in Ireland that might send you for a stint in Switzerland ( e.g Siemens, Alstom, there may be more). Good luck!
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Why do you want to move to Switzerland?
Bingo, we have a winner!

WHY do you want to move here?

Me, it was to do stuff I couldn't do anywhere else (except perhaps Japan), and the centrality of it all was just a bonus.

26 years on, I'm still here because I love the place, work, life, everything.

BUT, it's not for everyone, and I don't live up north.

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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

Being an arrogant, ignorant English only speaker living here for 5 years you can get by, it is difficult but if you an work internationally you don't need domestic languages except to do the basics..

If you can convert your skills to sales please PM me...
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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

Been wondering... what exactly is the "Swiss dream"???
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Been wondering... what exactly is the "Swiss dream"???
No-one knows but it gets too cold to be a 'Wet One'---
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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

Howye all again folks

Great hearing from ye all and Im very grateful to each and everyone for your helpful responses so far...including Karl who PM'd

st2Lemans - just to answer your question (why do I want to go Switzerland)...basically im looking to broaden my horizons with a new challenge away from the comforts of home. Im a country fella and very outdoorsy so with all it has to offer in the line of mts, lakes,forests and general outdoor activities I feel we could be a good match! Plus i like to travel and because its so central located in Europe it will allow me to do this in my spare time.

To Clonskeagh and HollidayG thanks for those websites very helpful indeed...So thats it for now folks keep the suggestions coming I dont expect anyone to hand me a job on a plate but sound knowledge from ye guys is always appreciated!

Good Night All
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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

Welcome Butty... I am really interested to know what the "Swiss dream" is for you. For me, it was to find my soulmate. I've known since highschool he was here (Germany/Switzerland) and finally found him in 2009
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Welcome Butty... I am really interested to know what the "Swiss dream" is for you. For me, it was to find my soulmate. I've known since highschool he was here (Germany/Switzerland) and finally found him in 2009
Aww fair play to you mine is not for romance...although "she" could be out there waiting for me who knows eh my Swiss dream is based aound the opportunity for prosperity and success all to be achieved through hard work...OF COURSE I am fully aware and dont need reminding of the all work and no play theory!! ha
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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

It is an interesting question: why do you want to work in Switzerland?

It seems that you need to add a letter to the STAR (is that a real thing? I'm a bit behind on these cultish acronyms) and that's 'R' for reason. (Damn, if we could only convert the last letter to a 'T', we'd have STRAT!)

A lot of skilled foreigners come to Switzerland because of some opportunity in their existing company or because a Swiss company reached out to them in some way. (I came for two week's consultancy in the 90s and still don't seem to have concluded it...)

Switzerland is a fine place: the wages are quite high, but so is the cost of living (electronic goods are a sweet price here, though). You would probably do just as well financially in the UK. (Very easy for an Irish guy). You may also find it rather staid compared with Ireland or the UK. The languages you have may or may not be a problem - I've never needed anything but English working here, but that's not always the case. Good German will definitely help you.

So, what's your reason?
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It is an interesting question: why do you want to work in Switzerland?

It seems that you need to add a letter to the STAR (is that a real thing? I'm a bit behind on these cultish acronyms) and that's 'R' for reason. (Damn, if we could only convert the last letter to a 'T', we'd have STRAT!)

A lot of skilled foreigners come to Switzerland because of some opportunity in their existing company or because a Swiss company reached out to them in some way. (I came for two week's consultancy in the 90s and still don't seem to have concluded it...)

Switzerland is a fine place: the wages are quite high, but so is the cost of living (electronic goods are a sweet price here, though). You would probably do just as well financially in the UK. (Very easy for an Irish guy). You may also find it rather staid compared with Ireland or the UK. The languages you have may or may not be a problem - I've never needed anything but English working here, but that's not always the case. Good German will definitely help you.

So, what's your reason?
Hi Speakeron

Wow that must be some project you are on over there...need a hand?!
As I mentioned in a few posts previously - looking for a change of scene I guess - fresh challange so to speak / somewhere with better opportunities than Ireland has at moment...plus Im big into the great outdoors! Maybe im being a bit optimistic?
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Hi Speakeron

Wow that must be some project you are on over there...need a hand?!
As I mentioned in a few posts previously - looking for a change of scene I guess - fresh challange so to speak / somewhere with better opportunities than Ireland has at moment...plus Im big into the great outdoors! Maybe im being a bit optimistic?
Well, the project has evolved a bit since then. Basically to a totally different project with a totally different company in a totally different industry!

Sorry, but I don't really need supply chain management (I'd be more interested in advanced server-side coding skills), but I'm sure there are plenty of Swiss companies that would be. Just apply to stuff through job sites and see how you go. There's nothing to lose by applying...
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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

did you consider Canada? Also new challange & outdoorsy. Plus no language problem and jobs are plentiful?
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did you consider Canada? Also new challange & outdoorsy. Plus no language problem and jobs are plentiful?
I did actually yes...but there are issues with acquiring visas as quota has been used up the earliest I could get one is this time next yr for WHV and can afford to be hanging around. I think be a good challenge to learn a new language tho or is it a nightmare over there with French, German, Italian, native dialects?
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Welcome to the Forum. Why do you want to move to Switzerland? It's very expensive and to be honest, not a whole lot of fun compared to Ireland. Depends what you are looking for I suppose. I would try www.indeed.ch for jobs as well and perhaps try multi nationals in Ireland that might send you for a stint in Switzerland ( e.g Siemens, Alstom, there may be more). Good luck!
Erm i disagree, Switzerland is way more fun than back home! It is a complete life style change and if your willing to embrace the outdoors with open arms its is a wonderful place to be!!!

EDIT: Also yes it is very expensive but the wages generally match the cost of living. So all balances. I know for me personally, i afford a way better life style here than i could dream of back home!

Please keep in mind though that moving country to somewhere that you are effectively Illeratate isnt easy. the most simplist tasks can become quite stressful but after a while it improves but you need to make the effort

I work in Aviation where Engish is a complete must. English is the language of aviation. I didnt need to speak any other language but basic french and german was desired.

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Re: Getting off the Irish treadmill to live the Swiss dream

I work in procurement and we speak only English in the office. I think there are several companies in the Zürich area who recruit buyers and I've never seen German language skills as a requirement on their job specs. Have a look at:

Kraft, Johnson & Johnson, SC Johnson, SAB Miller, ABB. Also have a look at the Pharma companies.

I would also recommend using Linkedin, this is a fairly good resource for purchasing jobs.

Good luck!
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I did actually yes...but there are issues with acquiring visas as quota has been used up the earliest I could get one is this time next yr for WHV and can afford to be hanging around. I think be a good challenge to learn a new language tho or is it a nightmare over there with French, German, Italian, native dialects?
focus first on figuring out which part of the country you would like to live in, since the differences between the French, Italian and German parts of the country are more or less the same as the differences between France, Italy and Germany.

for my wife and I, it has taken more or less a year to become "comfortable" with the language. it will take at least another year before either of us is anywhere near "conversant" in it.
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