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Serious Police Action - Zurich - Rentenenstalt

Did anyone else see that?????

12:20 the 165 bus stumbles across a mini war zone. Riot police out in force, large amount of youngsters, rubber bullets being fired, bodies on the floor.

One guy got taken down hard, pepper sprayed and whacked.

Big metal bins in road!

What was going down??????

People on the bus were getting down, I was narrating at the window. Life in Zurich!!!!
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My large piece of paper with the "why I live in Basel not Zurich or Geneva" list is already full. Sorry.
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More info:

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zuerich/...loest-21569660
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Re: Serious Police Action - Zurich - Rentenenstalt

wow, would hate to have been an unsuspecting passerby in that mess!
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Re: Serious Police Action - Zurich - Rentenenstalt

We had one near us on Thursday, 50 to 60 people at an illegal party. Rubber bullets, pepper spray, a policeman bitten. Why do the Neighbours always complain about the noise? http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/bern/sto...letzt-26063453
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Re: Serious Police Action - Zurich - Rentenenstalt

When did the definition of "party" change?

When I was a teenager, going to a party meant hanging around with friends, maybe taking a dip in their pool, and trying to make out with a potential girlfriend.

When did "party" become a synonym with riot?
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He knows that! That is why he lives on Zurichstrasse in Basel and he has a ZH sticker on his car


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Old 19.08.2012, 10:26
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When did the definition of "party" change?

When I was a teenager, going to a party meant hanging around with friends, maybe taking a dip in their pool, and trying to make out with a potential girlfriend.

When did "party" become a synonym with riot?
My guess is that this change came about shortly after x and crystal meth became drugs of choice instead of weed.

Coincidentally, techno / trance became "the" party music about the same time rather than reggae and other smooth cool relax type music.

See, relaxing with a few friends, sitting around, discussing the universe just doesn't work as well with this as the sound track.



Meanwhile, this works much better for a nice chill evening.




Of course, there's nothing wrong with the music in the first link, I enjoy it too... but it makes you move, not think.
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Re: Serious Police Action - Zurich - Rentenenstalt

wow... in my 6 months here, i would never have imagined that happening in zurich! okay, i have not been here that long but from what i have seen and met, the people here are very friendly and rather serious and stoic. maybe i am hanging around the wrong part of town (near adliswil).
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When did the definition of "party" change?

When I was a teenager, going to a party meant hanging around with friends, maybe taking a dip in their pool, and trying to make out with a potential girlfriend.

When did "party" become a synonym with riot?
It was not changed, but widened. It nowadays also includes what used to be "happenings". Riots often result of parties or happenings being illegal and loud, and when police is called in.

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wow... in my 6 months here, i would never have imagined that happening in zurich! okay, i have not been here that long but from what i have seen and met, the people here are very friendly and rather serious and stoic. maybe i am hanging around the wrong part of town (near adliswil).
People from Langnau/Adliswil/Leimbach who want to have something going on go accross the hill or to downtown or to Kreise 3+4+5

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Old 19.08.2012, 12:21
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Adds "riot" to "sit by the river" and "electronic goods" on my "cheap things in Switzerland" list.
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Another article: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama...story/11656011
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My guess is that this change came about shortly after x and crystal meth became drugs of choice instead of weed.

Coincidentally, techno / trance became "the" party music about the same time rather than reggae and other smooth cool relax type music.
What a load of BS. Ecstasy does not make people want to fight. I've never seen any trouble at a club where it is the drug of choice. Obviously I can't say for sure that there wasn't a single person there last night who had taken meth, but I would lay a massive wager there wasn't. Meth just isn't a popular drug in Europe.

I was actually at the Arboretum last night having a BBQ and minding our own business. The party wasn't even particularly loud and wasn't disturbing us while we were in the middle of it! It was just a bit of hi jinx with a few fireworks being set off, until the police arrived and it took a more sinister turn with bins getting set on fire and people charging the police lines. I'm very pro law and order, but I have to say I think the police over-reacting and do seem to relish the opportunity to "get stuck in" cf when FC Basel come to town.

We left, but frankly if we hadn't had guests visiting from the UK, I would have stayed where we were and let it blow over as it felt a little bit like a storm in a teacup.
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Bns being set o fire? Charging the police lines? And you are blaming the police for overreacting.

I would have thought that if the police have shown up and are telling people to disperse, then the sensible thing would have benn to do exactly that.

Keeping in mind that Switzerland seems to have very strict noise laws and are frequently called to come and investigate and small sounds after midnight, they were perfectly within their rights to be present at this deliberate flaunting of the law. ( whether we like those lwas or not.)

Fro several personal observations ( cycling home through football crowds, disturbances at the SBB station etc) I have actually been impressed with the low key, hands off approach the local officers take for as long as possible.
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My guess is that this change came about shortly after x and crystal meth became drugs of choice instead of weed.
Odd argument, as you're implying every party everywhere involves drugs. Never had you down as a druggie, Peg. Most people are able to enjoy a party, and/or an evening chatting with friends, without being stoned or otherwise off their heads.

And as for the rubbish that the move to techno causes riots ... really? So all those famous clubs in London, NYC, Tokyo etc are always spilling out into the streets with riots? I'd guess 0%. But you're close (if being totally wrong counts as close).

Switzerland and parts of Germany just have bunches of youths who like to riot. Saying drugs cause them is not understanding cause and effect. If I love driving too fast and buy a fast car ... it's my love of driving fast that made me buy the fast car. I didn't pootle down the streets at 30kmh, suddenly buy a Ferrari and then decide to cane it everywhere.
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Old 19.08.2012, 14:51
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What a load of BS. Ecstasy does not make people want to fight. I've never seen any trouble at a club where it is the drug of choice.
Agreed. And I used to go regularly.
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The party wasn't even particularly loud and wasn't disturbing us while we were in the middle of it! It was just a bit of hi jinx with a few fireworks being set off, until the police arrived and it took a more sinister turn with bins getting set on fire and people charging the police lines.
Due to the strict noise laws, the up tight Swiss society, the dearth of cheap things for young people to do, and the lack of anything verging on risque which many 15-25 year olds need (such as staying up at an all night party - gives the illusion of breaking the societal norms whilst actually being controlled within it), it actually leads to these situations.

Bunch of youths, mucking about and being irritating. Police come (this is Switzerland; someone would have complained about the noise or whatever) and basically they're screwed. If they do nothing, people will write to the local papers and complain that the police do nothing. If they do anything, it's the trigger the youths' need to escalate their party into something, to them, more "fun".

In other words, it's totally inevitable in this type of society. The police aren't to blame - what can they do?

How to fix it? Either subtly change society (won't happen) or just accept the fact that these mini riots will occur every now and again, and deal with them. That's what seems to be happening.

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What a load of BS. Ecstasy does not make people want to fight. I've never seen any trouble at a club where it is the drug of choice. Obviously I can't say for sure that there wasn't a single person there last night who had taken meth, but I would lay a massive wager there wasn't. Meth just isn't a popular drug in Europe.
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Odd argument, as you're implying every party everywhere involves drugs. Never had you down as a druggie, Peg. Most people are able to enjoy a party, and/or an evening chatting with friends, without being stoned or otherwise off their heads.

And as for the rubbish that the move to techno causes riots ... really? So all those famous clubs in London, NYC, Tokyo etc are always spilling out into the streets with riots? I'd guess 0%. But you're close (if being totally wrong counts as close).

Switzerland and parts of Germany just have bunches of youths who like to riot. Saying drugs cause them is not understanding cause and effect. If I love driving too fast and buy a fast car ... it's my love of driving fast that made me buy the fast car. I didn't pootle down the streets at 30kmh, suddenly buy a Ferrari and then decide to cane it everywhere.

I think you mistook my meaning, so I'll try to be a bit more clear:

I don't think x makes anyone want to fight, I think that the "newer" drugs (including x and crystal meth) are more likely to be in use in LARGE groups of people, as opposed to just a couple of friends hanging out chilling.

I'm not a druggie, I don't like how it makes me not give a flying rip about how anyone else feels AND I'm quite well aware that drugs are not needed to spark violence or attract police. However, in my experience, the larger the number of people, the higher the chance of use, which also means higher chance of violence... lots of people, usage of "mind altering substances" (including alcohol) it adds up.

I don't think "every" party involves drugs, I but I strongly suspect the fact of a party goer biting the finger of a police officer is a pretty strong indication that drugs were indeed involved at some point.

So far as the bolded bit goes: An evening chatting with friends doesn't usually involve setting fire to garbage cans and other things, at least not at any of the parties I've attended... including ones which you also attended. (Check out photo #3 here)
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