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KFC is disgusting c**p.

What you going to do about that, punk?
I refuse to acknowledge the existence of anything called "KFC".
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Old 23.08.2012, 15:15
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I have to say, that the story of Mc Donald's is a rather epic one and nothing would emphasize more of what the American dream is than what Richard and Maurice McDonalds and Ray Kroc have achieved. I mean, they set a worldwide industry standard and basically took the production line concept from the automotive industry and transplanted it into the food industry, whilst ensuring the very same taste and quality throughout the country. Nowadays, it's the most successful restaurant chain in the world and it's amazing to simply think, that this one location in San Bernardino, CA layed the pathway for every Mc Donald's franchise in the world, be it Calcutta, Shanghai or Zurich.
That's a lovely story - thanks for sharing.
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While I do appreciate your devotion for the noble fried poultry I have to say, that the story of Mc Donald's is a rather epic one and nothing would emphasize more of what the American dream is than what Richard and Maurice McDonalds and Ray Kroc have achieved. I mean, they set a worldwide industry standard and basically took the production line concept from the automotive industry and transplanted it into the food industry, whilst ensuring the very same taste and quality throughout the country. Nowadays, it's the most successful restaurant chain in the world and it's amazing to simply think, that this one location in San Bernardino, CA layed the pathway for every Mc Donald's franchise in the world, be it Calcutta, Shanghai or Zurich.
comparing the preparation of a Big Mac and fries to the manufacture of a 1920's Model T doesn't exactly make the meal sound more appetizing.



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Old 23.08.2012, 15:32
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comparing the preparation of a Big Mac and fries to the manufacture of a 1920's Model T doesn't exactly make the meal sound more appetizing.
Certainly not...but this enables the franchise to produce the same meal across the globe at a cost and time saving factor.
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Certainly not...but this enables the franchise to produce the same meal across the globe at a cost and time saving factor.
All this talk of 'meals', 'food' and 'restaurants' almost makes me forget the subject.

I still do a mental double-take every time I hear anyone refer to a 'McDonalds Restaurant'. When I first heard it used in the UK some years ago I assumed it must be referring to a new concept where you could order real 'food' and have it brought to your table to eat with a knife and fork like a proper 'meal'. I was astonished to learn that they used the name to refer to their existing outlets.

And anthing you can eat with your fingers standing up is not, IMHO, a meal.
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Funny how people's attitudes are towards fast food here, if only it was the same towards smoking
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Funny how people's attitudes are towards fast food here, if only it was the same towards smoking
It's the same for both here.

When they're smoking here and go-large, they have a cuban cigar.
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While I do appreciate your devotion for the noble fried poultry I have to say, that the story of Mc Donald's is a rather epic one and nothing would emphasize more of what the American dream is than what Richard and Maurice McDonalds and Ray Kroc have achieved. I mean, they set a worldwide industry standard and basically took the production line concept from the automotive industry and transplanted it into the food industry, whilst ensuring the very same taste and quality throughout the country. Nowadays, it's the most successful restaurant chain in the world and it's amazing to simply think, that this one location in San Bernardino, CA layed the pathway for every Mc Donald's franchise in the world, be it Calcutta, Shanghai or Zurich.
Agreed, wouldn't say it is very different than the Nestle story.
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...they set a worldwide industry standard and basically took the production line concept from the automotive industry and transplanted it into the food industry, whilst ensuring the very same taste and quality throughout the country.
Although I have, in the past, eaten at McDonalds (when a poor student or drunk [usually I was both at the same time]), there is, I believe, a downside to the McD's approach (beyond the usual things commented upon, that have been both documented and discussed elsewhere). This downside is that the assembly line approach has removed all cooking skills from the food preparation. As long as someone can be trained to push a button, they can work in such an environment. But unlike working in an old-fashioned Diner, a where a kid could learn how to prepare food and cook it (even if only simple things like cheesesteaks or hand cut fries), assembly line foodwork does not convey any such transferable and marketable cooking skills (but there could be other skills???).

I'm afraid I am an iconoclast, if I go Singapore or KL I want to eat exciting and tasty local (usually) street food, not a boring and predictable fast food burger. Ironically, after having eaten from hawker stalls in the far east and never ever having had a problem, I once got some pretty nasty food poisoning during a trip to the US....

Back to the OP, I think Switzerland will not get any of the "better quality" US fast food chains for two principal reasons (1) the cost of food would make it hard for them to offer food at the same quality/price level and (2) the innate food conservatism found among many Swiss.

For an occasional treat, a Hardees Country Fried Steak Breakfast Biscuit or a Sausage and Egg Breakfast Biscuit would really go down well (and their burgers are better than McD's IMO)

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Old 23.08.2012, 16:01
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I went to Wimpy in Glasgow some time ago and it was like that, which surprised me, 'cos our local Wimpy was just a normal selver servide, eat with your fingers place.

It was a bit wierd, to be honest.

Ah. Wimpy. RIP.
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Although I have, in the past, eaten at McDonalds (when a poor student or drunk [usually I was both at the same time]), there is a big downside to the McD's approach (beyond the usual things that have been well documented and discussed elsewhere). This downside is that the assembly line approach has removed all cooking skills from the food preparation. As long as someone can be trained to push a button, they can work in such an environment. But unlike working in an old-fashioned Diner, a where a kid could learn how to prepare food and cook it (even if only simple things like cheesesteaks or hand cut fries), assembly line foodwork does not convey any such transferable and marketable skills.
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Very true, although if you are working at McDonalds for future career building in cooking, to become a chef or whatnot.....you're not doing it right.

From my experience, people work at McDonalds generally for one reason. To receive an income. Sure some gain management skill and work their way up with success, but generally it's just for money. Interestingly enough, many of the people I know who worked at McDs when younger, are now line workers at factories, apparently they did learn apt transferable skills.
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Old 23.08.2012, 16:16
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Corbets and I went to a burger place just outside Enge Barnhof for lunch the other week. Proper burgers for once too - I was impressed.

Very different from the "manufactured" crap from the chains.

re: KFC/Kentucky. I admit, I do like these. But I'm always slightly perturbed by the amount of grease/water there is in them, especially the drumsticks.
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I went to Wimpy in Glasgow some time ago and it was like that, which surprised me, 'cos our local Wimpy was just a normal selver servide, eat with your fingers place.

It was a bit wierd, to be honest.

Ah. Wimpy. RIP.
Back in the 60s and 70s, Wimpy's was a franchise operation, so different operators could vary their service style. But most of them were table service, a bit like the American Diner concept ( but obviously with any good bits removed ). It's possible that in Scotland that way of working survived longer than in England.

Also, of course, in Glasgow that would be classed as fine dining...
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Although I have, in the past, eaten at McDonalds (when a poor student or drunk [usually I was both at the same time]), there is, I believe, a downside to the McD's approach (beyond the usual things commented upon, that have been both documented and discussed elsewhere). This downside is that the assembly line approach has removed all cooking skills from the food preparation. As long as someone can be trained to push a button, they can work in such an environment. But unlike working in an old-fashioned Diner, a where a kid could learn how to prepare food and cook it (even if only simple things like cheesesteaks or hand cut fries), assembly line foodwork does not convey any such transferable and marketable cooking skills (but there could be other skills???).
on the other hand, the franchise model that McDonald's is famous for used to be quite good at cultivating young business-people, many of whom amassed quite a fortune by starting as laborers and then working their way up to ownership of one (and then eventually several) franchises.
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The reason that McD's have been successful? American's laziness in preparing proper food or realizing that the "green stuff" isn't just for decoration.

Then they exported the concept. People are convinced that they "just don't have the time" to eat healthily, so they sit in their vehicles visit a drive thru, guzzle their cholesterol and fat products, burp, fart and continue with their trailer trash lives.

Don't think it couldn't happen to you. It starts with French fries or potato chips on the sofa in front of the TV .....
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many of the people I know who worked at McDs when younger, are now line workers at factories, apparently they did learn apt transferable skills.
My sister and I worked at McD's while in HS and university, though I later switched to fixing cars as it paid a lot better, and I could work when I felt like it.

My sister is now a partner in a very large accounting firm in CT, and I am an excellent cook, mechanic, and engineer.

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It's clear to me that the OP is asking about Fast Food, when I'm pretty certain he actually means Junk Food.

The food market where I work is full at lunch time with people on their lunch break having a real fast food lunch. It takes less than 5 minutes to make their choice and order and 15 minutes eating it at one of the bar tables or benches outside, they then have at least half an hour for a stroll or to enjoy a nap in the park.

And the choice is good, healthy and cheap beating a McD meal on all 3 counts.
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I would disagree. As McDonald's food comes from a sterile, controlled environment and undergoes a high quality standardized procedure in terms on how it's processed.
It may be prepared in a sterile controlled environment ...... but I would baulk at eating squashed cow eyeballs in my hamburger.
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It may be prepared in a sterile controlled environment ...... but I would baulk at eating squashed cow eyeballs in my hamburger.
As opposed to?

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama...story/11662375

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/leben/es...story/21084291

...that's without taking into account the hygiene conditions of most stalls selling them.
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Re: Fast Food

It's funny, after watching this video on Youtube I found myself craving some greasy, cheesy, cheap hamburgers, so I tried searching for junk food in here and found this topic.. from today.



In Geneva we only have McDonald's, not even BK (only in the airport), and then some local places like Holy Cow. Anything else you recommend?

I guess next time I go to Annemasse (right passed the border to France) I'll stop at Quick. It's not that great, but they offer 2x1 to students so you get 1 big size menu with 2 burgers for around 6 or 7 euros.
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