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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

Well thats a bit of a bugger :// I really wanted to study in switzerland because I have family in Geneva, the quality of education is the best in the whole of europe, the pay is better and taxes are lower, the country is politically stable but to be honnest with all of you, I wouldn't be studying medicine for about 5 more years so by that time the law might have changed... I hope, but really, I've experienced french and italian medical care and I know people who have experiened the medical teaching, and really in some places it can be really sub standard. Why would I want to work or study such an important subject in a country where my education quality is poor? I would have to live away from home if I were to go to univeristy in England but the prices are just too expensive and being in debt because of a loan and not earning enough to pay it back would make anyone depressed. Would naturalising as Swiss make the situation any better? xD (If I moved now it would be possible)
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

????

do you have swiss ascendants? Otherwise, it takes 12 years of residency to become eligible for swiss citizenship (which is not a right but rather bound to multiple conditions, exams etc)

Sorry, I believe your plans and motivations to move over to switzerland are not well thought over at all.
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Old 27.08.2012, 11:32
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

There are many Medical schools away from London in the UK, where accommodation, etc, is much cheaper. There are all sorts of clever ways to reduce cost. For instance, when our daughters were at Uni elsewhere, we rented a room to a student in our house to cover for some of their cost - something perhaps your parents could do-especially if in London. Some of our friends lent a room free of charge to another student in exchange for babysitting and help with a boy with ADHT. You've got to think 'outside the box'.

BTW students do not need to go clubbing at £100/200+ + a pop, do not need 2 or 3 weeks holidays in Aynapa or Ibiza, nor do they need skiing or snowboarding for a couple of weeks in the Alps, not designer clothes, the latest electronic gadgets, etc (LOL - I actually know some students who amassed huge 'student' debts like that, and then complained bitterly )

One of my Swiss friend's son has just passed his first year of medical studies - 60% did not. At least in the UK, if you are offered a place, you should be able to pass the first year.
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

I highly doubt the law will have changed in five years. They don't want foreign medical students because of the cost of the education. I pay roughly 1'000.- a year, but in reality each year costs about 50'000.- per student. Getting one new doctor out there costs 300'000.- or thereabout! That's an insanely huge cost! The state pays for it because it's a worthwhile investment, but that's only if the new doctor stays in Switzerland, and the risk of seeing that new doctor leave the country is higher with foreign students, so they're not interested in paying for your education. And it's not like there's any shortage of potential doctors... Overall, about 80% of people who try to go to medical school fail, either during the first year (first two years actually, the second year is still pretty selective) or because they didn't pass the Numerus Clausus. We don't need more potential students... we need more room in university, more professors, more doctors that are willing to take the time to teach, and more funding for all of that.

Odile: congrats to your friend's son! He's just taken the hardest step toward his dream I hope his second year goes just as smoothly!
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

just for for curiosity, are you interested by rare diseases ? we need medical staff interested by them in Switzerland.
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I highly doubt the law will have changed in five years. They don't want foreign medical students because of the cost of the education. I pay roughly 1'000.- a year,
that could change. I heard on the radio that some people want you pay around 12'000.-- a year to get university education. (or something like that)
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Thank you SO much for all the new information, I really appreciate it
I have been looking at the uni websites and they really don't make a whole lot of sense to me :S swissuniversity.ch has been helpful to me but it says that in Geneva, university fees are around 1000CHF and an extra 1000 for foreigners. Now I'm guessing that the medical degrees are a bit more that that but what is nagging me a bit is whether there is the possibility of doing a medical course in English? My french is proficient but as a foreigner wouldn't it be better to do medicine in particular, in a more universal language? If anyone has any views on this, I would really like to hear your opinion
There are plenty possibilities doing medical courses in English. Especially so if you choose an English-speaking country. Which Switzerland isn't.

Have you perchance thought ahead and pondered the fact that your local patients might actually NOT speak English? What good will your knowledge of medicine in an universal language be then?
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that could change. I heard on the radio that some people want you pay around 12'000.-- a year to get university education. (or something like that)
Well, I hope it doesn't There are already a lot of people who have trouble getting a university education, so if the fees reach 12'000.- a year, I guess a lot of people would just have to give up... I know I would
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There are plenty possibilities doing medical courses in English. Especially so if you choose an English-speaking country. Which Switzerland isn't.

Have you perchance thought ahead and pondered the fact that your local patients might actually NOT speak English? What good will your knowledge of medicine in an universal language be then?
This very forum may be to blame: it gives the completely wrong impression that Switzerland might be some kind of Singapur or Dubai with a very large population of expats who speak only english without any need of understanding the local language(s), whatever your activity may be (doctor, architect,...)

Well, that's clearly NOT the case in Switzerland.
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

Okay okay I get it. It will be almost impossible for me to do medicine in Switzerland... great. Does switzerland recognise medical degrees from other countries? If so, which ones are more widely accepted?
(please try and be as positive as possible, its a bit depressing when someone blatently tells you it would be near impossible to study the subject of your choice in the country you want to study in )
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

This link might help with your question on recognition of 'foreign' qualifications in medicine. Googling something like 'recognition of foreign qualifications medicine Switzerland' gives several links - they might make things clearer too.

Sorry it all seems so negative but doing a bit of Googling before letting ones dreams get too focussed on something can help to avoid such disappointment. I wish you all the best in making your future plans.
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Old 27.08.2012, 14:06
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

Sorry Armen - we are not being negative, but realistic.

BTW which year are you in at present, and where? In UK?

A Medical Degree from the UK would be valued here in CH- but only if you speak one of the national languages or two absolutely fluently. Many people go to Hospitals in an other linguistic area. For instance we live in Romandie (French speaking) but my (British) husband is being treated in the Hospital in Bern (German speaking) - fortunately he speaks fluent French, and some of the staff speak (some) French, and others (some) English - but all are fluent in German and mostly, Swiss German too (which is very different from standard German).
So whatever you decide to do, make sure you continue studying French (if you are looking at Geneva/Lausanne area)- so you could come and do a residency here one day- with a view to working here eventually. As said, there is a huge demand for GPs here (but as said above, their salary is on average LOWER than in the UK, with much higher out-goings). Get your relies in Geneva to help you find holiday jobs, etc, so you can keep practising - English is very useful as an add-on, but you MUST speak the local language at a very high level to work here.

Or do a gap year in a French speaking country after your A'Levels. Working as an Au-Pair in a doctor's family would be really useful (yes, open to males too!).

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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

I'm about to start my GCSE's in my local London school. Its just too expensive to go to university in England (even more expensive if you want to do medicine) and its just impossible for me to live at home and go to uni so I would have to rent an appartment... which isn't cheap for students studying in London. I could study in France but from what i've heard and read its no cheaper or easier to get a place in french university, and the quality of education doesn't even come close to the standards of swiss uni or even british ones! I just want to make my living and do the job I want to do in switzerland, the country which is perfect for me

If I don't take a gap year after my A Levels, I would be going to university in 5 years.
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

So Year 10 or 11 - plenty of time for a think then. If you are at school in London, then surely you could live at home and travel in. And as said, there are plenty of NON London medical schools around UK in places where accom is MUCH cheaper. Or like us when our girls were at school - swap your room with another student- or rent and use that to pay elsewhere.

Leicester for instance has got a Med school, and so has Keele Uni in Staffs- only 1.30 mins approx train ride to go back to London for the odd week-end, and cheap accom and everything else. But you certainly have time to get to fluency with French- at least GCSE and then AS- followed by extensive periods in a French speaking area, on exchange or working as Au-Pair (are you male btw? Doesn't matter- many families look for a male Au-Pair specifically). Bonne chance.

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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

I can't give any advice on studying in Switzerland...

But may I suggest you do a bit more homework on the student loan process in the UK?

I have a UK student loan. A couple of points spring to mind...

1) Your loan payments are taken from your salary after you earn a certain amount. So you do not need to worry about not earning enough to pay your loan back. While you don't earn enough, you don't pay. I haven't worked for nearly 3 years. Haven't paid off any of my loan in that time, and haven't had any threatening letters from the Student Loan Company either! I contacted them when I first was out of work, they said they'd contact me again at the end of 2010. They didn't, and as my situation hasn't changed I haven't contacted them.

2) If you become permanently disabled or unfit to work, your loan repayment is also cancelled. So should that happen, you wouldn't have the loan hanging over your head.

3) For students starting their studies after 2006, the balance of the loan will be written off 25 years after you finish studying. Lucky you. Mine won't get written off until I'm 65!

So although yes, you will have this debt, it isn't going to be hanging over your head, you're not going to have to scrimp and save to repay it... and it won't stop you getting a mortgage or anything because everyone these days has one!

As others have said, take time to think about what you want and the best path to get there... but perhaps take time to inform yourself about options in the UK as well as abroad.
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

Might I ask why you think Switzerland is 'perfect' for you as you've said it several times. Is it just because you have a few relatives in Geneva, or is there a deeper reason?

If the relatives reason is the only one.... it's not really enough to base your entire future on.

I have friends in the UK whose son was desperate to be a vet (not quite a GP but a similarly sort-after and over-booked course), he couldn't find a place anywhere in England but managed to find a PAID place on a course in Melbourne....... Australia.
Loved it and now refuses to move home again.
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

I hope your attraction to Medicine is not due to money, since young doctors don't earn much, even in Switzerland, not to mention the quality of life!

There are much easier ways to get rich.
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

I remember my best friend being a Junior Dr in London in 1970. £1000 for 145 hrs a week. It's a bit better now
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

In response to your questions:
1) Yes I am a male... :S
2) I think Switzerland is perfect (for me) because 1, Its in a very central location (an hour away from almost everything) 2, I can be in the Alps and not even leave the country (I like skiing) 2, You can leave your house at night without the fear of being mugged at knife point by some hooded hooligan. 3, I have relatives there (you already know that ) 4, I want to live outside of the EU (political reasons) but not be miles and miles away from England. 5, It ALWAYS rains or is overcast in England, regardless of 'season' It can snow one day and be heat-wave the next!

I don't intend on living in England my whole life, France is too near and too bland, Belgium is France's little brother (still too bland), so where did I think to live and work? Switzerland ticks all my boxes Its just a shame I don't speak German

I don't want to do medicine for the money, I want to do it because I'm doing a service and contributing to the wider community.
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Re: Study medicine in Geneva

If you're prepared to study in a French curriculum (there will be courses in English, especially when you advance further in your study program), and work like crazy (because out of maybe 600-700 students, only 100 are taken into the 2nd year) then it's worth trying, because it's going to cost you much less than it would in England (in terms of fees).

You can also try the universities of Lausanne, Fribourg and Neuchatel, for other french-language medicine programs.
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