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Re: Witness of threat and almost violence

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you are totally right. you can't image how hard it was for my friend not to rise to it, especially after he insulted me. I was also on the verge of physically doing something, should a fight have broken out. My friend just said "there was no need to fight, because it would not solve anything...and I could tell from what he was saying, he was not there to solve a problem...but just to start a fight".
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Re: Witness of threat and almost violence

If someone uses violence to counter words then as far as I am concerned they are trash irrespective of the country.

Someone could say to my face that my mum is a whore and I would not flinch. I will just put them down with words. On the other hand if someone takes a swing at me then they are going down very hard.
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If someone uses violence to counter words then as far as I am concerned they are trash irrespective of the country.

Someone could say to my face that my mum is a whore and I would not flinch. I will just put them down with words.
Oh, but you're a lady, aren't you?

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On the other hand if someone takes a swing at me then they are going down very hard.
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Re: Witness of threat and almost violence

Don't buy the usual police spiel that "nothing can be done". They're just doing that to avoid work for themselves. If he used racist and insulting terms he should be liable for a fine at least, and if the guy has a reputation it should be hard to get some witnesses.

There was a case on the forum recently concerning a verbally abusive neighbor in Geneva. The authorities wouldn't do anything and a cop even scolded the poster in question over the phone for calling their attention to it because they were oh-so-powerless. He ended up writing several official letters to the relevant authorities, stating the facts, witnesses, and the danger they were in quite brilliantly, and I quote:

"I had kept a log of every incident, along with incidents he had inflicted on other neighbours. I also compiled a letter where, having had finally got hold of some names higher up in the chain of command (I was determined and desperate, so would not let go till I got names!), I bullet pointed every threat/incident where we felt an "accident" or injury would most likely happen in the near future, and everytime I went back to each name with the same sentence: "If in your professional judgement, our conviction equates pure fantasy, then you can continue without concern. If, however, something does happen ,which anyone with some common sense and on the ground will tell you (as witnessed and signed by 12 households!), then everyone, including the press and higher authorities, will know exactly whom to blame".... That has freaked out quite a few, we never had such a quick response from anyone in the previous few months!"

In bold is the language similar to what should be used. That should get their attention.
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Re: Witness of threat and almost violence

Russkov, that is great to hear...thanks for the advice...we are logging all the abuse, and we are doing everything VERY unemotionally, but taking the official route so all abuse is documented.
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Re: Witness of threat and almost violence

Even small police matters can have consequences that may make people rethink their lives a bit. Two guys I knew got into a heated verbal altercation some years ago (at my gf's birthday, classy). One of them felt threatened and cornered, which I can get as the other guy was about a head taller, but his response in his desperation was to break a bottle over the guy's head. It got reported, the guy didn't get a huge fine or any jail time, but he officially had a record for a violent act, which forever killed his life-long dream of becoming a cop. Oops. I'm sure he'll think before acting next time.
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You are not breaking any law if you filmed it in a public space.
You are not allowed to film somebody, even if he/she is in public space, without them agreeing on being filmed. (Maybe the fact that you filmed him for 7 minutes and he did not tell you to stop doing so, could be seen as implicit agreement, but not sure about that). If you publish the video and it damages his reputation you might even be liable to pay him a compensation
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You are not allowed to film somebody, even if he/she is in public space, without them agreeing on being filmed. (Maybe the fact that you filmed him for 7 minutes and he did not tell you to stop doing so, could be seen as implicit agreement, but not sure about that). If you publish the video and it damages his reputation you might even be liable to pay him a compensation

art. link please.
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Re: Witness of threat and almost violence

Laertes,

thanks for clarifying. So what can we do about the fact that she is dirtying his name and making it hard for him to work? She is spreading malicious gossip and ruining his reputation...
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Video or it didn't happen
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It didnt happen. she has fabricated things that didnt happen!
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Laertes,

thanks for clarifying. So what can we do about the fact that she is dirtying his name and making it hard for him to work? She is spreading malicious gossip and ruining his reputation...

and if i had said it is legal.. then what.

be very wary of random quotes unless they can be backed up with reference to current legislation.
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Laertes,

thanks for clarifying. So what can we do about the fact that she is dirtying his name and making it hard for him to work? She is spreading malicious gossip and ruining his reputation...
Is anyone actually paying her any attention? She sounds a bit of a bunny boiler to me. How is it making it hard for your boyfriend to work? Your earlier post states that he works in the cafe in which he was threatened. Are they then going to fire him based on the woman's rumour-mongering?

She sounds like she is making just a bit too much effort to discredit your boyfriend. Is she perhaps just a bit in love with him?
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Maybe the whole thread is a wind up?
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Trust me, this is not a wind up. I feel sick to my stomach worrying about what I saw yesterday. yes, I guess she is a bit of a bunnyboiler. They whole story is too long, but basically he gets more succes and tips and she feels threatened by him because he is doing a better job. She then went off on him one day, while he kept his cool. and then the next day, the management of the cafe wrote an official letter to him stating SHE had accused HIM of verbally attacking her. Can you believe the nerve! The management are aware of her personality, but can do nothing about it. And they say the husbands threats are none of their business...
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You are not allowed to film somebody, even if he/she is in public space, without them agreeing on being filmed.
You can film in public as much as you want, but publishing the video would most likely be illegal without either making all faces unrecognisable or having permission from all people featured in the video.
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You can film in public as much as you want, but publishing the video would most likely be illegal without either making all faces unrecognisable or having permission from all people featured in the video.

it is or it isnt
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Re: Witness of threat and almost violence

Some weeks ago, there was a documentation about a sociopath/stalker and one of his victims that nearly died in the Schweizer Fernsehn.

The guy stalked an other woman who pressed charges and won a restraining order against the stalker.

The second victim became the stalkers new girl friend but w/o telling her the truth about his life (except that he had problems with the authorities). At one time the stalker smashed the window of the second victims car. But she did not report the incident to the police and did not press charges.
The senior prosecutor said that if the victim had reported the first incident to the police the second one may have never happened because she would have been given insight into the the stalkers police report. But he also stressed that it can be very difficult to press charges, especially in a love affair, and because the accused will know who talked with the police. But he also says that it is better to report incidents so that they get into the file.

So the most difficult part is not the reporting to the police, but that the culprit will know who had reported what. Keep in mind that threatening is a criminal offense Art. 180 StGB
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Women are trouble

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Re: Witness of threat and almost violence

if the job is in a cafe and the owner/boss doesn't do anything about it AND it has been going on for a while AND it won't change AND it's gotten to the point where her boyfriend is threatening him.

why doesn't he just find a new job? it's not like it is a tough market for cafe workers- there are jobs open in the field constantly and even if everything worked out and he didn't get his A** kicked by the boyfriend why would he want to stay there with a boss who does nothing and everything else?
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