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Old 01.09.2012, 19:49
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Re: Is a part time job enough for a living?

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Do you know the hungarian living conditions? It is much worse, than to be a poor man in Zürich for a time...
I do know, I've lived there on a tiny scholarship. Was certainly better than living on 2000 fr in Zurich would be. Really.

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We are trying. If my wife and I get a part time job, we can earn beetwen 5500-6000 CHF.
We have about 5000 CHF for the start... If both of us get the part time jobs, we will try... if not London is calling...
If I were you i'd go straight to London, much cheaper rent and your quality of life on less money will be better due to how cheap food etc is.
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Old 01.09.2012, 20:38
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If I were you i'd go straight to London, much cheaper rent and your quality of life on less money will be better due to how cheap food etc is.
Yes that is true and for some odd reason it is easier for non-English to get a job than English.

or you could use it as a step before coming to Switzerland. Now is a good time to go to UK and you can start your language course there as yearly courses start sometime in September.

That said have no idea how the visa for you both in UK is to get works.
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Old 01.09.2012, 20:41
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If I were you i'd go straight to London, much cheaper rent and your quality of life on less money will be better due to how cheap food etc is.
Really? I heard nothing but horror stories the last years. Just asking.
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Old 01.09.2012, 20:48
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Really? I heard nothing but horror stories the last years. Just asking.
London is a hugh City with various accommodation. One can start with renting a room in a shared flat if one has little money to start.
a site to look for accommodation is gumtree.com

Yes you may have heard horror stories & could be right, but no idea what they are, so not able to reply.
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Old 01.09.2012, 21:15
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With such a low income the OP should consider renting a room, not a whole flat. Rooms in a shared flat can be found starting with something like CHF 400 (if you are very lucky).
That could be a problem as well, always linked to the permit question.

General rule, afaIk, is that a flat where foreigners live must have at least a room number of number of people living there minus one, otherwise no permit.

Which means that a studio is OK for two, but not a room in a 2-room-WG with 2 in a room, e.g.
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(But if I get the job I get a work permit).
Probably not, because you only get the permit if the job pays enough for a living,which it doesn't.
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Re: Is a part time job enough for a living?

As others have said, it is really expensive here. But, if you were to share a place with others and just rent a room...and maybe pick up some extra money by babysitting here and there (usually can get at least 20 CHF an hour for this) then you can live here. Won't have a lot of extra spending money but it is a lovely place to live.
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Old 04.09.2012, 06:56
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Re: Is a part time job enough for a living?

Unlike most others have I actually done it: I lived as an intern in Zurich. Twice for six months each. First time was my salary 2600CHF and the second time 3400 CHF. The second time did my girlfriend stay most of the time with me...

Bottom line:
- we rented a tiny room. And when I say tiny I mean 10 sqm.
- since my girlfriend (which happens to be the wife by now...) was a student in another EU country, so her health insurance was already taken care of and our budget only had to cover rent, food and daily expenses.

Summary: We cooked on our own and cut the expenses to the absolute minimum. We were still negative till the moment she found work as well.

This was a decade ago and since then did stuff in general not get cheaper.

You can manage to survive on your own on the salary, but for two will it be VERY tough if possible at all. However, as you see yourself - the hourly rates are great, so if you can work a bit more or she can find some part time job as well can you actually make it work.
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We have about 5000 CHF for the start...
Listen, I know you are in a difficult situation, BUT. Unless You BOTH have a solid job in Switzerland with a combined earning of at least 6000CHF: DO NOT DO IT!

Why? You will "use up" your hard-earned savings of 5'000CHF in a blink and You will have to go back home with your savings gone!

Did You know that You will most probably have to put that 5000CHF down only to get into an apartment.
A simple calculation: 3 months rent as deposit + 1st month' rent=5000/4=1250CHF. Now 1250CHF is your budget for a apartment if you use up ALL your savings just to get into the apartment (if you get it). Now take a look at homegate.ch and see what you get in Zürich for 1250CHF.

I am not trying to bash You, I am trying to save you from a BIG disappointment.

BUT: Sok szerencset!!!
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Old 04.09.2012, 11:19
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Re: Is a part time job enough for a living?

you would be much better off looking for a job in Austria. Learn German there, commute to see your family when you are set up.
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Re: Is a part time job enough for a living?

It also depends what sort of job get. Gastro jobs can be insecure. Employers have a habit of employing people and letting them go just before the end of the trial period. Also if they are promising a work permit you need to find out what sort of permit it will be.
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Old 04.09.2012, 13:38
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It's not enough. Switzerland is a beautiful country but - especially in Zurich - irrationally expensive. If your income is below 4,000 CHF/month you're not going to get by, and don't even think about social mobility. If you're shopping around for countries to start a new life at a low cost, I would look elsewhere if you're basing your decision solely on economics. Environment, now, that's another thing. Switzerland has a wonderful environment.

Given that you come from Hungary, here is the reality: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living...t&city2=Zurich

WOW, great site!
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The agencies know that Zurich is expensive, and they want people that can pay the rent. So they usually only rent to people earning 3 times the rental. Now if you are going to earn CHF 3'000 you will only be able to rent a room costing less than CHF 1'000 per month.

Can you find two part time jobs?
When I first read this, I was like oo 3 times the amount, that's a lot.
The other day I went to an agency to start the ball rolling for an appartment, they wanted all my salary details, and she said that one had to earn 5 times the amount of the monthly rent (inc charges) to be considered.
This is in a town which is very cheap compared to Zurich... Just to add some info to this. HTH
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Re: Is a part time job enough for a living?

Thanks to all for the advices!
It really helps to make the right decision. (Destination changed for a time)

I have only one question.
How much a person can earn if he/she works for a McDonald's or Starbucks, in Zürich? And how can he/she live?

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Re: Is a part time job enough for a living?

I think you guys a bit too harsh on him.
If you will do everything right you can make this happen, despite the fact your projected income will be low and starting funds are low too.
I think if you do following you have a chance:
1. Come first, leave your wife in Hungary in the beginning (it will be easier with those funds)
2. Rent a room outside of Zurich, I live in winterthur and it's cheaper and it's only 20 minutes train ride from Zurich, also consider kanton Argau.
3. Shop at cheapest places (eg. Denner / Aldi / Lidl), also consider shopping from time to time in Germany to save a bunch
4. You won't be able to afford any social live until you increase your income
5. Get your wife here when you will have secured living place for both of you

I understand you are looking for a better life and I know beginnings are hard but it's all doable (despite what others say).
In terms of permits, yes you can get L easily - there are no restrictions on those (I was in contact with Migrationsamt about this as my company was considering hiring a Polish national without a permit.

If you have any more questions let me know!
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I think you guys a bit too harsh on him.
If you will do everything right you can make this happen, despite the fact your projected income will be low and starting funds are low too.
I think if you do following you have a chance:
1. Come first, leave your wife in Hungary in the beginning (it will be easier with those funds)
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... which would also ease the permit thing about minimum income for only 1 person (and not 2). And one still would have good chances in finding a better job for onself and for the wife, at least a lot better chances than from outside Switzerland.
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Thanks, but we want to live in Europe.
And we have a lot of qualifications...
What sort of qualifications?
Surely it is worth using those and going somewhere in Europe with them?

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It's not enough. Switzerland is a beautiful country but - especially in Zurich - irrationally expensive. If your income is below 4,000 CHF/month you're not going to get by, and don't even think about social mobility. If you're shopping around for countries to start a new life at a low cost, I would look elsewhere if you're basing your decision solely on economics. Environment, now, that's another thing. Switzerland has a wonderful environment.

Given that you come from Hungary, here is the reality: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living...t&city2=Zurich
Amazing how cheap things are in Hungary. A brand new VW Golf for 15,000 euro vs 25K here?

People here would pay you 1500 euro to sort out their paperwork for a deal like that. Just a thought.
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