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If all Swiss people are like you, who are the type wanting people to 'use the brain first', I don't think integration is really of your concern because you don't 'really' care about the migrants themselves anyway, as if they ask you something about Switzerland which could be offending to you, you immediately want to slap them rather than being patient and explain first. As I previously said, I ASKED you guys a question, not affirmed, sorry if the question is too obvious for you to see that it is A QUESTION.

If I really 'screw' integration efforts as you said, I should write a blog about my experiences in Lausanne (thanks for the correction, simplon) or videos or whatever attracting world-wide people outside Switzerland RATHER THAN actually coming back to Swiss people first (I mean this forum) to talk about it, because I knew I would get slapped by some Swiss people here for expressing my honest views for sure.
Please use your brain first before overreacting to the point of mentioning integration efforts! Such a drama.

And yes, I am sensitive by nature, so sincerely apologize if it bothers you.
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Wait.... aren't Swiss people indifferent????
So if I moaned here and you hate it, you could just ignore. Why bother wasting your precious time here to insult me?
Now it's getting interesting. A Frog and a Rosbeef are arguing about integration in Switzerland and one of them hasn't got a clue what he/she ist talking about. Are there any Yanks or Krauts (preferably not knowing Switzerland at all) around who want to join in?
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Old 11.09.2012, 10:24
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Re: Are Swiss people always rude and discriminating to tourists?

You don't even live here and you complain about Switzerland?? Now don't even get me started about what I've seen and heard when I lived in UK for few months. I never wanted to go back there again !
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blabla...
So if I moaned here and you hate it, you could just ignore. Why bother wasting your precious time here to insult me?
Do you realize you are on a public forum?

Do you realize that what you say has consequences?

Why I bothered wasting my precious time to insult you?

- I manage my precious time very well, let's get that out of the issue.

- I bothered because what you said, as explained before, is considerably impacting or likely to impact negatively on the Swiss citizen perception of foreigners.
Also it's making the current situation worse (where honest/decent migrants are not necessarily accepted and seen as a source of nuisance).

I could go on but I can't be bothered, as you are currently proving my previous point: you are not capable of realizing what you said is wrong, dumb, and potentially dangerous for integration in Switzerland.

Which is quite different than "asking a genuine question".

Well others have said the same in a more diplomatic way, I would not be so "sensitive" and "gentle" with people who spread cr@p first, then ask what have they done wrong.
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Re: Are Swiss people always rude and discriminating to tourists?

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All americans are more than rude and nasty. In California an old man swore at me and called me names because I was standing in his way when he wanted to get on a bus.

I'll never go to the US again.
Sorry, that was probably me.
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Old 11.09.2012, 11:20
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"The Swiss" ? are by majority Alemannic people (same as in Baden-Württenberg), by minority Burgunder (Jura, Neuchâtel/Neuenburg, Fribourg/Freiburg and northern Vaud/Waadtland, Savoyard (Vaud mainland and Geneva plus the Lower Valais), plus Lombards (Ticino). And of course whomever stays here long enough to become a CH-citizen. Look at important Swiss industrialits and hotelliers. Mr Brown was a British engineer, Mr Boveri was an Italian engineer, Mr Sulzer was a German, Mr Maggi was an Italian, Mr Nestle was a German, Mr Baur (Baur-au-Lac & Baur-en-Ville in Zürich) was an Austrian. They all became Swiss citizens. Messrs Calvin and Rousseau were French and became Swiss. Geneva only joined the Union as late as 1815, but already in 1848/49 it was a Geneva general who for years had worked for the French army, who then lead the Unionist armies to ultimate victory in record time. The Swiss CIC in WW-I who organised the Swiss armed forces into a real army, Ulrich Wille, was a German. Look at ABB. The company due to the compromise between Mr Barnevik, then CEO of ASEA, and Mr Leutwyler, then CEO of Brown-Boveri, has its HQ in Zürich-Oerlikon, but a Swedish management. There amazingly is an endless stream of Swedish managers who arrive here via ABB and as soon as they can "jump" to other employers and stay on. They and their families become Swiss. The Secondos or Tricondos from Vietnam, SriLanka, Iran, Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, the Maghreb, Italy and Portugal become CH-citizens, not out of enthusiasm but for practicality reasons. Further back, there were Protestant refugees from France and Lombardia, Piemonte and Liguria (Pestalozzi, di Muralto [von Muralt], Dunant, Jaquet, Naville and many more. And those families became citizens of Cantons of Switzerland centuries ago. Revolutionaries from 1848/49 Germany fled to Switzerland when the German "royalty" regained control, and then became Swiss. I personally do not forget a Miss Eickhoff, whose name reveals her farther back origins, and who was the best teacher I ever met and who admittedly had a heavy influence onto all of us then/there, and I just remembered her yesterday, as SHE taught me swimming

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I neither mentioned IMD nor the many "Instituts" of Lausanne and of along the shores of the "Lac Léman Vaudois", as they, whenever of quite some importance for Lausanne, do not play a dominating role. In the times when those Instituts were in Neuchàtel, the city of NE had a youngish appearance, but that was already gone in 1965. This was a major disappointment for one of our two teachers (my favourite history teacher) who before going to the Sorbonne had studied at the NE university. But after WWII, those instituts moved over to the Lake of Geneva, as Geneva had an airport, actually until 1948/52 the ONLY serious airport in Switzerland. In pre-war times, students had arrived by trains via Basel, but this of course then changed.
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Re: Are Swiss people always rude and discriminating to tourists?

Enough. I think Lavendarykoll has learnt that some EF members can be far ruder than most Swiss people.

Another baptism by fire
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