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If....in an informal environment...

...like a new house (where there is no clear "seniority"), one introduces themselves to one's new neighbours using their first name, thereby encouraging the "Du" form of address - and new neighbour comes back with "I am Herr ...."....

....then as far as I am concerned, they can f... the f... off.

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Old 10.09.2012, 22:38
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...like a new house (where there is no clear "seniority"), one introduces themselves to one's new neighbours using their first name, thereby encouraging the "Du" form of address - and new neighbour comes back with "I am Herr ...."....

....then as far as I am concerned, they can f... the f... off.

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..generally speaking, I agree with you..but when in Rome.
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Old 10.09.2012, 22:46
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..generally speaking, I agree with you..but when in Rome.
What "In Rome"? If there is a clear (although an anathema to me) "rank" for want of a better word ie somebody is older, or if its in a business environment.....of course.

But in the same house, people of the same age...if one party introduces themselves in one way (first name) and somebody doesn't respond in the same way......that's pretty rude
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Subtle encouragement is lost on the natives .... you have to add:

-".... please call me sturgeon eggs Fritz - what shall I call you?" (answers on a postcard)
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..generally speaking, I agree with you..but when in Rome.
Exactly, at my first residents meeting I introduced myself as Herr Professor Castro, MBE, FRCP
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Rude, possibly. Overbearingly formal, definitely. Maybe it was just the way he was brought up by an authoritarian father and he can't shake it. Either way, i'm guessing they won't be the life and soul of the party.
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Old 10.09.2012, 22:53
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Rude, possibly. Overbearingly formal, definitely. Maybe it was just the way he was brought up by an authoritarian father and he can't shake it. Either way, i'm guessing they won't be the life and soul of the party.
AND he wears dark socks with sandals and shorts
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What "In Rome"? If there is a clear (although an anathema to me) "rank" for want of a better word ie somebody is older, or if its in a business environment.....of course.

But in the same house, people of the same age...if one party introduces themselves in one way (first name) and somebody doesn't respond in the same way......that's pretty rude
By all means, I agree with what you're saying. I worked in an entirely Swiss environment, where after 3 years, I wasn't even on first name basis with some of my colleagues. As you might have noticed, things tend to run slightly different here at times...thus my comment. I don't say that I agree with it...but that's just how things are.
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I can understand why you thought it was rude, but maybe they just weren't paying attention?
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...like a new house (where there is no clear "seniority"), one introduces themselves to one's new neighbours using their first name, thereby encouraging the "Du" form of address - and new neighbour comes back with "I am Herr ...."....

....then as far as I am concerned, they can f... the f... off.

That's all.
i avoid these situations by never introducing myself to neighbours
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How stupid, and this is just my opinion...would it sound to introduce yourself as
Yes I am Mrs blah blah to your neighbor? ridiculous really
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AND he wears dark socks with sandals and shorts
Aaaaaand he's out!
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Exactly, at my first residents meeting I introduced myself as Herr Professor Castro, MBE, FRCP
you missed FOS...
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...like a new house (where there is no clear "seniority"), one introduces themselves to one's new neighbours using their first name, thereby encouraging the "Du" form of address - and new neighbour comes back with "I am Herr ...."....

....then as far as I am concerned, they can f... the f... off.

That's all.
I have to agree with you. When we moved to our new place, we invited the neighbours for a drink to introduce ourselves and meet them, and even the old lady in number 3 introduced herself as Margret
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...like a new house (where there is no clear "seniority"), one introduces themselves to one's new neighbours using their first name, thereby encouraging the "Du" form of address - and new neighbour comes back with "I am Herr ...."....

....then as far as I am concerned, they can f... the f... off.

That's all.
Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no shame in using Sie and being addressed at Sie. You seem to take it as a kind of discrimination or even disrespect, but that's exactly the contrary. Do see it. Do use Sie and be proud to be addressed as Sie too.

Your neighbour wasn't rude. At all.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no shame in using Sie and being addressed at Sie. You seem to take it as a kind of discrimination or even disrespect, but that's exactly the contrary. Do see it. Do use Sie and be proud to be addressed as Sie too.
He listens, but he does not hear. He looks, but he does not Sie.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no shame in using Sie and being addressed at Sie. You seem to take it as a kind of discrimination or even disrespect, but that's exactly the contrary. Do see it. Do use Sie and be proud to be addressed as Sie too.

Your neighbour wasn't rude. At all.
You could never disappoint me

The point is.....when one invites a more friendly and intimate form of address and that is spurned, then i think it IS rude. But to him maybe not. Vive la difference.

But if he ever runs out of condoms and pops around here for one.... He'll regret it
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Perhaps when you extended your hand and said "Caviar" he incorrectly assumed you were telling him your surname (as is customary).

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Perhaps when you extended your hand and said "Caviar" he incorrectly assumed you were telling him your surname (as is customary).

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Funnily enough, and not many people believe this, that's actually my middle name
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The point is.....when one invites a more friendly and intimate form of address and that is spurned, then i think it IS rude.
I do insist very very heavily on a fact that you have no control over and that I happen to master as part of both grammar, culture and socio-psychology that is my life and my language(s): Sie is NOT rude, and the DU form is not the only criterion for informal friendliness. Your German is just too bad to get it, even if you communicate wonderfully in that language, you miss the actual language.
You were rude to your neighbours and return the accusation back at them although they were nice to let you get away with it because they certainly know English speakers do find it difficult to master Sie/du difference. Keep working on it.
The language is stronger than any opinion, feelings or beliefs you might have, no matter how justified there are in your own logic. Your neighbours taught you a very valuable lesson in a very nice way. I really like your neighbours.

P.S. There is nothing wrong asking for condoms with Sie.
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