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Sorry, I did go TWICE (I know, I like danger!) into Aldi in Nottingham, regardless of people's tastes, income etc...this was genuinely the most awful,depressing place, and the food was crap on a large scale.
As mentioned above, they adapt their product range to local tastes.
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Old 27.09.2012, 23:01
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My wife is extremely frugal (i.e. she likes CHF 2 and second hand shops), but she does little food shopping in Aldi, and even less in Lidl, due to the quality of most food products, usually just buying, bread, wine, and some salad.

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My wife is extremely frugal (i.e. she likes CHF 2 and second hand shops), but she does little food shopping in Aldi, and even less in Lidl, due to the quality of most food products, usually just buying, bread, wine, and some salad.

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hy would you think they're not. Like any other store, they'll pull out if they're losing too much money. Left Greece in 2010 after investing several billion. This is nothing new, Carrefour did the same some years ago.
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A) Are they losing money ? Possibly in the short run, but of course not in the longer run.
B) Many foreign companies left Greece when that country tumbled into a crisis
C) Carrefour in Switzerland was linked with the Maus-Nordmann (Manor) group and regrettably failed to establish itself as a market force


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Aldi's stock in the UK is very different from Switzerland's. In fact when we were there recently I was wishing they'd stock some of the UK stuff here. You're making an assumption that the 500 products are exactly the same ones. They're not. Aldis worldwide will stock things like yoghurts or tinned fruit and veg just as examples, but they will have different flavours (yoghurts) or types (fruit and veg). Aldi here don't stock baked beans here (someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any), but it's a staple in their stores in the UK.
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I don't see why it should have been. They were using the same government subsidies that any other retailer could apply for so why single them out. If they met the criteria, they're entitled to apply for and get the subsidy. Was there an outcry because other succesful (rich) supermarket chains also got the same subsidy?
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Exactly. My OH loves seedless grapes. Thompson's Seedless in Coop around CHF3 minimum, Aldi CHF0.99 to CHF1.99, depending on where they are in the season's cycle. The quality is exactly the same believe me, my OH is very choosy about the grapes he eats and wouldn't get them if the quality was poor.
But the cheapest beer in COOP is CHF -.50 (5 dl can) while the cheapest beers in Denner, Aldi, Ldil aber above CHF -.70. The 1L bottle of red wine (Vino Rosso + Montagne) in COOP are CHF 1.95, the 1.5L containers of red wine in Aldi and Lidl are below CHF 2.90 and so cheaper per dl, but the two wines of Coop are clearly better. You can get a 250grams bread in Coop for CHF -.90 and a 500grams bread for CHF 1.15, something neither Migros nor Denner nor Lidl nor Aldi really compete with
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Shopping, if you have a bit of money and the necessary time usually IS a delight
Indeed, however not at Aldi/Lidl.

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Indeed, however not at Aldi/Lidl.

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I disagree. I enjoy making a good deal more than having the feeling to get ripped of in a fancy environment.

Contrary to Swiss believe are Aldi products by far not inferior, especially in the non-food section. They simply get rockbottom prices through volume and are famous for stringent warranties and do keep their promises. I bought some outdoor gear there which I have used a lot by now and it is in no way worse than the stuff the sport chains like Ochsner will sell you for literally 4-5 times the price. I would not at all be surprised if they fall out of the exact same factory in China.

Speaking of which: Some people who have even less of a life than the average EF poster enjoys to hunt down hard discounter suppliers to see what they actually get... You will see that in Germany, the milk products from Rewe, Aldi, Lidl, Penny and whoever else more often than not DO fall out of the same factory: http://www.wer-zu-wem.de/handelsmark...-produkte.html

Companies like Milch Union Hocheifel only source local milk. They are technically not able to offer worse quality to Aldi than to "branded" super markets. So the same stuff that is sold as "local product" in the high end markets of my area is in fact the exact same milk as the one from the discounter - at three times the price. (I picked that example as my mum made a factory tour and was able to see how the different cartons were filled from the same tanks... guess where she shops since then...)

Aldi Suisse openly advertises their suppliers, so you don't need to guess. Theirtessiner platte comes from Ticino... so the "too German" argument is simply factually wrong.
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Re: Aldi's

Treverus has some of the best balanced responses, unfortunately the anti Aldi gang are simply that!! There is no basis to claims Aldis items are inferior they are basically the same just a lot more accurately priced because Aldi have worked out their distribution model and got the costs down the Swiss suppliers live in the lovely world of - it doesnt matter what rubbish we sell as long as we make it appear high price people think it is higher quality

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But the cheapest beer in COOP is CHF -.50 (5 dl can) while the cheapest beers in Denner, Aldi, Ldil aber above CHF -.70. The 1L bottle of red wine (Vino Rosso + Montagne) in COOP are CHF 1.95, the 1.5L containers of red wine in Aldi and Lidl are below CHF 2.90 and so cheaper per dl, but the two wines of Coop are clearly better. You can get a 250grams bread in Coop for CHF -.90 and a 500grams bread for CHF 1.15, something neither Migros nor Denner nor Lidl nor Aldi really compete with
It's swings and roundabouts. We don't buy beer or wine so haven't compared prices on those, but back to your bread examples: 1k pain mi-blanc in Aldi/Lidl CHF2.09, but higher price in Migros/Coop and American style 750g sliced bread (Sandwich Toast as the Swiss call it) - Migros CHF3.10, Aldi CHF1.79. Denner's price is slightly higher than Aldi's iirc, around CHF1.99 or a little bit more and they're usually pretty good on wine and spirit prices.

I used to use Denner for my main shopping, but due to OH changing jobs, the Denner I used closing down and Aldi moving into the area I've switched over. Carrefour was also a main source, but I rarely buy anything in a Coop.
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I disagree. I enjoy making a good deal more than having the feeling to get ripped of in a fancy environment.

Contrary to Swiss believe are Aldi products by far not inferior, especially in the non-food section. They simply get rockbottom prices through volume and are famous for stringent warranties and do keep their promises. I bought some outdoor gear there which I have used a lot by now and it is in no way worse than the stuff the sport chains like Ochsner will sell you for literally 4-5 times the price. I would not at all be surprised if they fall out of the exact same factory in China.

Speaking of which: Some people who have even less of a life than the average EF poster enjoys to hunt down hard discounter suppliers to see what they actually get... You will see that in Germany, the milk products from Rewe, Aldi, Lidl, Penny and whoever else more often than not DO fall out of the same factory: http://www.wer-zu-wem.de/handelsmark...-produkte.html

Companies like Milch Union Hocheifel only source local milk. They are technically not able to offer worse quality to Aldi than to "branded" super markets. So the same stuff that is sold as "local product" in the high end markets of my area is in fact the exact same milk as the one from the discounter - at three times the price. (I picked that example as my mum made a factory tour and was able to see how the different cartons were filled from the same tanks... guess where she shops since then...)

Aldi Suisse openly advertises their suppliers, so you don't need to guess. Theirtessiner platte comes from Ticino... so the "too German" argument is simply factually wrong.

Correct EXCEPT that there is NO such "Swiss belief", as ALDI and LIDL would not be so successful in Switzerland. The "too German" thing was an is a prejudice. In both shops, the share of Swiss and Italian products was gradually increased over the years, with for example Austrian "Emmentaler" cheese having been replaced by real Emmentaler cheese. Add to this that many German producers have improved their range in the past decades.

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Treverus has some of the best balanced responses, unfortunately the anti Aldi gang are simply that!! There is no basis to claims Aldis items are inferior they are basically the same just a lot more accurately priced because Aldi have worked out their distribution model and got the costs down the Swiss suppliers live in the lovely world of - it doesnt matter what rubbish we sell as long as we make it appear high price people think it is higher quality

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What about some logical thoughts ? Aldi and Lidl purchase lots from the same suppliers as others. And to say that "the Swiss suppliers live in .... what rubbish we sell ....." is complete and absolute rubbish and absolutely not true. If you want to say that all Swiss stuff sold in the "traditional" discounters is rubbish, then you clearly go over the top.
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It's swings and roundabouts. We don't buy beer or wine so haven't compared prices on those, but back to your bread examples: 1k pain mi-blanc in Aldi/Lidl CHF2.09, but higher price in Migros/Coop and American style 750g sliced bread (Sandwich Toast as the Swiss call it) - Migros CHF3.10, Aldi CHF1.79. Denner's price is slightly higher than Aldi's iirc, around CHF1.99 or a little bit more and they're usually pretty good on wine and spirit prices.

I used to use Denner for my main shopping, but due to OH changing jobs, the Denner I used closing down and Aldi moving into the area I've switched over. Carrefour was also a main source, but I rarely buy anything in a Coop.
Most peope DO buy bread, which exactly on the basis of YOUR indications is much cheaper in COOP than in Aldi and Lidl and Migros. The price for bread in COOP is -.90 for 250 grams, 1.15 for 500 grams and less than 2.-- for 1000 grams. This means that COOP is cheaper with 250/500 and on the same level as ALDI and LIDL. Migros with its Sanissa butter-margarine in the cheaper variety is either on the same level as Aldi and Lidl or even below.

And most people DO buy wines and beers. You cannot simply EXclude stuff other people buy by the gallons and include some stuff you buy by the 100 grams package

To make it clear, I go to ALDI and LIDL frequently, not just due to price but also due to the interesting things they have on sale. Even at absolutely the same price level as Mi-Coop, they would be interesting. YES shopping in their shops IS nice. And if some people now have the same arguments against the two newcomers their parents or rather grandparents had against Migros in the 1950ies and 60ies, so be it.

I therefore hope that they wille NOT "pull out .... makiing losses" but will succeed.
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I have bought some shop and garden equipment recently in Aldi, for roughly the same price as OBI had them, but the Aldi was closer so I got them there. The quality is OK, but I bought a similar item through work (tool cabinet for garage) via our work suppliers, costs almost twice as much, but is of vastly superior quality.

Wines are at best around the price of those at Denner, and Denner is far more convenient as it is on my walk to/from work, so I do most shopping there, and go to a Vietnamese store in Lugano (run by my wife's ex's brother) for most fish, beef filet (CHF 42/kg, almost the same price I was paying in the US this summer, USD 19/lb)

So, it depends what you buy. Some things are vastly cheaper, others not, and still others simply not sold.

And the avocados sold in Migros and Coop are vastly superior to those from Aldi (and cheaper than in the US), though endives in Aldi are just as good and cheaper than Migros.

Olive oil, we normally buy n Italy, fresh fish too, veg, but we rarely bother to make shopping trips there, usually just stop in a shop while on the way to the cousins, but save no money in doing so, as we just buy more expensive products than we would here (anchovies wth truffles, for example)

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Most peope DO buy bread, which exactly on the basis of YOUR indications is much cheaper in COOP than in Aldi and Lidl and Migros. The price for bread in COOP is -.90 for 250 grams, 1.15 for 500 grams and less than 2.-- for 1000 grams. This means that COOP is cheaper with 250/500 and on the same level as ALDI and LIDL. Migros with its Sanissa butter-margarine in the cheaper variety is either on the same level as Aldi and Lidl or even below.

And most people DO buy wines and beers. You cannot simply EXclude stuff other people buy by the gallons and include some stuff you buy by the 100 grams package
I wasn't excluding wines and beers, I just said I don't buy them so haven't done a comparison. I'm quite happy to believe that Coop is cheaper for these products, you have the evidence and I don't so that's fine with me. I'll take your word for it.

However, Coop may sell bread that works out cheaper per 100g grams (your package size not mine), but my example was specifically for a pain mi-blanc 1k uncut loaf. Aldi/Lidl are CHF2.09 and I know Migros' will be at least CHF4 if not more for exactly the same product. I can't comment on Coop's mi-blanc price as I haven't been in one of their stores for a long time. If you know their price for a mi-blanc let me know because if it's cheaper and just as tasty (OH is the decider on that point) then I may well start getting them from Coop.

Like you, I can only give examples of what I buy in the stores. I only buy pain mi-blanc loafs and Sandwich Toast on a regular basis so know those prices. And, as I said, it's swings and roundabouts. I've no doubt that both Migros/Coop/Denner do have items that are cheaper than Aldi/Lidl, but for me there are not enough of them to move my main shopping to them. I do buy a few items from Denner and Migros because I prefer them over what Aldi/Lidl offer. As you've given the butter-margarine as an example, I find all the margarines proper have no taste to them. I actually buy the more expensive Migros half-fat butter at CHF3.10 because I prefer it over Aldi's at CHF2.99. We buy both Migros and Coop's budget brand ice lollies in the summertime because they are extremely good value, beating anyone else's price, and they taste good as well.

And another thing to remember with Aldi, and I think Lidl is the same, is that any items with guarantees like TVs, washing machines, computers, etc, have a 3 year guarantee and not the normal 2 years.
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I have bought some shop and garden equipment recently in Aldi, for roughly the same price as OBI had them, but the Aldi was closer so I got them there. The quality is OK, but I bought a similar item through work (tool cabinet for garage) via our work suppliers, costs almost twice as much, but is of vastly superior quality.

Wines are at best around the price of those at Denner, and Denner is far more convenient as it is on my walk to/from work, so I do most shopping there, and go to a Vietnamese store in Lugano (run by my wife's ex's brother) for most fish, beef filet (CHF 42/kg, almost the same price I was paying in the US this summer, USD 19/lb)

So, it depends what you buy. Some things are vastly cheaper, others not, and still others simply not sold.

And the avocados sold in Migros and Coop are vastly superior to those from Aldi (and cheaper than in the US), though endives in Aldi are just as good and cheaper than Migros.

Olive oil, we normally buy n Italy, fresh fish too, veg, but we rarely bother to make shopping trips there, usually just stop in a shop while on the way to the cousins, but save no money in doing so, as we just buy more expensive products than we would here (anchovies wth truffles, for example)

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Aldi Suisse openly advertises their suppliers, so you don't need to guess. Theirtessiner platte comes from Ticino... so the "too German" argument is simply factually wrong.
They have their "Tessinerplatte", they do have 1 Emmentaler and one Gruyères, but that's it. All the other 20 cheese packages come from Germany and the Brie from France. So regarding their Swiss or non-German labled stuff we are talking maybe a 20%. 80% is pure Aldi Süd Germany (and nobody likes it as German food is perceived as awful by all non-Germans, sometimes this is a pre-judgement, but mostly this is a World-known fact).

They do have their super discount sale products they promote on their ads, buch each shops gets less than 10 items of it.

I like their employee staff in Ticino, and sometimes I chat with them. Their fruit and vegetables actually is not that bad, and the quality of all the other products might not be bad either (also mobile and accessoires, e.g.). But the choice is not Swiss nor Italian nor Ticinese, at least in Ticino, sorry.
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Was in Walmart when on visits to Texas and Lousiana and loved that company. Was not to purchase food as we were "eating out" at the old aunt who celebrated traditonal Texan cusine of the best. But I still would like them to enter Switzerland and am quite confirdent that they will find their market.
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They have their "Tessinerplatte", they do have 1 Emmentaler and one Gruyères, but that's it. All the other 20 cheese packages come from Germany and the Brie from France. So regarding their Swiss or non-German labled stuff we are talking maybe a 20%. 80% is pure Aldi Süd Germany (and nobody likes it as German food is perceived as awful by all non-Germans, sometimes this is a pre-judgement, but mostly this is a World-known fact).

They do have their super discount sale products they promote on their ads, buch each shops gets less than 10 items of it.

I like their employee staff in Ticino, and sometimes I chat with them. Their fruit and vegetables actually is not that bad, and the quality of all the other products might not be bad either (also mobile and accessoires, e.g.). But the choice is not Swiss nor Italian nor Ticinese, at least in Ticino, sorry.
Last I checked it was 4 Gruyères, I think also 4 Emmentaler, a couple of Appenzeller, several Tilsiter and I forget what else Swiss. Plus about 6 Italians, several French, a couple of Dutch and only a couple of German. Swiss Rohshinken, Bündnerfleisch and cooked ham, Swiss milk and yoghurts, about 80% Swiss fresh meat, perhaps 60% Swiss fresh fruit and veggies. Which covers most of what I buy anyway.

Certainly the selection is much more Swiss German than Swiss Italian. But given we are over 60% of the Swiss market I would expect that.
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