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Last I checked it was 4 Gruyères, I think also 4 Emmentaler, a couple of Appenzeller, several Tilsiter and I forget what else Swiss. Plus about 6 Italians, several French, a couple of Dutch and only a couple of German. Swiss Rohshinken, Bündnerfleisch and cooked ham, Swiss milk and yoghurts, about 80% Swiss fresh meat, perhaps 60% Swiss fresh fruit and veggies. Which covers most of what I buy anyway.
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OK, I check this up for some of the Ticino stores and will report. That gives me a valid excuse for passing by as otherwise I would feel so ashame to be seen by my neighbors.
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They do have their super discount sale products they promote on their ads, buch each shops gets less than 10 items of it.
A very few might be less than 10, but often there are lots of the items. It depends on what they are and, more relevant, how many of them they think they'll sell I would guess. A few years ago we bought new mattresses for our beds because at CHF99 each with a 10 year guarantee they were a ridiculous price compared to everyone else's. This was about 8-9 years ago now. They were all wrapped up and sticking out of a large carton that held about 30 in total. People were fighting to get hold of them and I couldn't get near, but I spotted one of the staff getting ready to bring another box of mattresses out and made a beeline for her as she came out the doors to grab a couple. So that was an item of at least 60 in that store and they may have had more, I don't know. Bigger items like washing machines and upright freezers might only be 10 or so simply because they can't store larger quantities out back.
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So that was an item of at least 60 in that store and they may have had more, I don't know. Bigger items like washing machines and upright freezers might only be 10 or so simply because they can't store larger quantities out back.
Spiegel reported that it's their policy to supply only a few (sometimes very few) of their super sales offers.

A couple of weeks ago I went to Aldi to check if their were still left (the first day of their issued offer) some of the mobile phones for 10 franks they promoted with big tamtam.
No left overs, so I phoned Aldi's and they explained they had infact delivered less then 10 items per store. But they were kind enough to offer me an alternative, so they switched me to one of their stores where I could get a phone for 15 franks, however not the same but for me good enough.
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Old 28.09.2012, 19:47
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I wasn't excluding wines and beers, I just said I don't buy them so haven't done a comparison. I'm quite happy to believe that Coop is cheaper for these products, you have the evidence and I don't so that's fine with me. I'll take your word for it.

However, Coop may sell bread that works out cheaper per 100g grams (your package size not mine), but my example was specifically for a pain mi-blanc 1k uncut loaf. Aldi/Lidl are CHF2.09 and I know Migros' will be at least CHF4 if not more for exactly the same product. I can't comment on Coop's mi-blanc price as I haven't been in one of their stores for a long time. If you know their price for a mi-blanc let me know because if it's cheaper and just as tasty (OH is the decider on that point) then I may well start getting them from Coop.

Like you, I can only give examples of what I buy in the stores. I only buy pain mi-blanc loafs and Sandwich Toast on a regular basis so know those prices. And, as I said, it's swings and roundabouts. I've no doubt that both Migros/Coop/Denner do have items that are cheaper than Aldi/Lidl, but for me there are not enough of them to move my main shopping to them. I do buy a few items from Denner and Migros because I prefer them over what Aldi/Lidl offer. As you've given the butter-margarine as an example, I find all the margarines proper have no taste to them. I actually buy the more expensive Migros half-fat butter at CHF3.10 because I prefer it over Aldi's at CHF2.99. We buy both Migros and Coop's budget brand ice lollies in the summertime because they are extremely good value, beating anyone else's price, and they taste good as well.

And another thing to remember with Aldi, and I think Lidl is the same, is that any items with guarantees like TVs, washing machines, computers, etc, have a 3 year guarantee and not the normal 2 years.
As I said, the Mi-Blanc 1KG at Coop is in the same price bracket than the ones you get in Aldi/Lidl.

And YES YOU CAN. You can buy THIS in COOP, THAT in ALDI, THIS in LIDL, THAT in MIGROS. You not only will save money, you will see a good products range.

I years ago visited Aldis and Lidls in Konstanz and Friedrichshafen which were much larger than the outlets in the Zürich area. Here in the Aldis/Lidls of the Zürich area I do not see much in the field of TVs, washing machines, computers.

What really matters about Lidl and Aldi is that they brought/bring alternatives onto the market place here. At least half a dozen retail-chains, half of them real "hardcore" discounters have vanished between the early 70ies, mostly by being purchased and integrated by Migros and Coop. So that I on one side hope that Aldi and Lidl succeed long term and on the other side that another big foreign retailer joins this market. Hopefully does not ally itself to "the mice" (Maus-Nordmann)
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Just to help illustrate my previous post. I went on the RAV for a while and wanted to focus on operational efficiencies. To this end, I did a price comparison in April. These are the results:




Coop Lidl Price diff Percentage Milk 145 109 36 33% Camembert 270 245 25 10% Lettuce 220 149 71 48% Cucumber 140 159 -19 -12% Radish 160 99 61 62% Avocado 180 149 31 21% Lemon 50 26.3 24 90% Brocolli 108 124.5 -17 -13% Peppers mixed



Eggs 350 325 25 8% Feta 420 173 247 143% Carrots 195 99 96 97% Dark Chocolate 255 149 106 71% Blueberries 225 119 106 89% Yoghurt 120 99 21 21% Butter 300 289 11 4% Whole chicken 1250 749 501 67% Mince meat 1075 545 530 97%


109.13 49%

Understand that this is a small sample, but it was like for like for the things I compared and to be honest I am just not this nerdy normally.
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Earlier this evening I picked up a Canon Pixma MP multi printer for less than 50 (just) for my daughter.
Not top end or latest technology, but will work for her secondary school printing needs.

This is where Aldi works well, they bulk buy old, end of line stock and knock it out cheap.
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Old 28.09.2012, 21:14
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Earlier this evening I picked up a Canon Pixma MP multi printer for less than 50 (just) for my daughter.
Not top end or latest technology, but will work for her secondary school printing needs.

This is where Aldi works well, they bulk buy old, end of line stock and knock it out cheap.
They also consistently out perform COOP and Migros on price for what is essentially the same stuff. Looking at Breezy post the price differences on the meat would pay for another shopping trip on their own.

Migros and COOP are surviving off shoppers who are loyal regardless of the obvious reasons to switch.
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Old 28.09.2012, 21:30
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...However, I've heard from my Swiss colleagues that Swiss people are embarrased being seen in Aldi or Denner...
Thank god I am a foreigner then, that will save me more than 500 CHF / month!
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I agree with that.

Long shelf-life is the main ingredient in their products.

And their fresh produce is not worth buying.

Except for the occassional local farmer supplying in-season - I`m guessing they have to support some local farmers?

Their exotic fruits are tasteless, same with any out-of season fruits.

Vegetables are of a dubious quality, at the best. Rather tasteless, and in their last throes of life.

Cheeses are tasteless.

Cold meats are tasteless.

Meat is horrible - and mostly imported from previously cleared rain forest regions, now become beef-factory-farms.

Chicken meat is absolutely atrocious, and stinks, (packed in massive plastic cartons that could double as cupboard drawers!)

Their products containing chemical ingredients are VERY tasty!

I suppose though, that it is one way to feed the masses?
Exactly the same thing I experienced in Migros! Although I don't shop in Aldi but Lidl which has way better quality and prices than the crappy Migros...and have alcohol!!!

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Looking at Breezy post the price differences on the meat would pay for another shopping trip on their own.
Damn, that's some cheap meat! I wonder how they can afford to charge such low prices?



(This is by far the least horrible image.)

They buy meat from places where they know meat producers break the law by chopping off beaks, feeding animals so much that their legs break under the strain, and wholesale use of antibiotics on poultry that never sees the light of day. Once these pictures were released, Coop, Migros, Denner, and even McDonalds boycotted Wiesenhof. Guess who didn't? I wonder what kind of a deal Aldi gets on the meat considering no one else will touch it? At least they pass some of the savings on to discriminating, "educated" consumers such as yourself!
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Indeed, however not at Aldi/Lidl.

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Aldi I don't like, same crap as Migros, but Lidl has very good meat, wine, fruit and vegetables and the prices are very good! Lidl gives you the most for your money! Of course Coop is very good, but their "cheap-sortiment" Prix- garantie is a disaster!

Lidl also have a lot of known brands...

Also the Lidl in Germany is awful, but here in Switzerland it actually have very good quality!
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OK...so now, can everyone stop complaining that everything is so expensive in Switzerland. This theory has been repeated thread after thread! Now, everyone is writing about how "much cheaper" they can find things in Switzerland! See, there are places to shop for less if you do your research.
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They also consistently out perform COOP and Migros on price for what is essentially the same stuff. Looking at Breezy post the price differences on the meat would pay for another shopping trip on their own.

Migros and COOP are surviving off shoppers who are loyal regardless of the obvious reasons to switch.
Seriously embarrassing for both Migros AND Coop. Coop which grew out of LVZ and KVZ, the children of the socialist cooperative movements of the Fin de Siècle and the 19-zero years, AND Migros, THE low-price discount pioneer in Central Europe for decades including the 1960ies. Interesting is that both Migros and Coop since the arrival of Aldi and Lidl have put more emphasis into their Budget and Prix Garantie product lines. What for many years was something just for relatively poor workers suburbs suddenly became important

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Thank god I am a foreigner then, that will save me more than 500 CHF / month!
it will not, as "Kashim" 's colleagues WILL go shopping there in spite of potentially feeling embarrassed

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Aldi I don't like, same crap as Migros, but Lidl has very good meat, wine, fruit and vegetables and the prices are very good! Lidl gives you the most for your money! Of course Coop is very good, but their "cheap-sortiment" Prix- garantie is a disaster!

Lidl also have a lot of known brands...

Also the Lidl in Germany is awful, but here in Switzerland it actually have very good quality!
The Prix Garantie
- margarine
- mayonnaise
- mustard
- cheese
- beer
- spaghetti
all are good, and NOT a disaster at all !

Lidl and Aldi and Coop of course have a lot of known brands, but Migros in reaction to the "brands" producers boycott against the "too low" prices of Migros had to either start its own production-lines or simply buy suppliers. If you look carefully into the products at Aldi and Lidl you can see that they also for quite many things had to
A) start their own production-companies
B) purchase existing producers
C) force suppliers into exclusive contracts

I am still a bit surprised to see how slow Migros and Coop are in reacting to the newcomers
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Dream on, Walmart failed miserably in Germany and wouldn't stand a chance in Switzerland.
This may be so, but what I saw in Texas was a retail-chain which was well-geared to the Swiss taste and Swiss market. Failures as you mentioned are sometimes difficult to understand. In case of Carrefour in Switzerland it was the alliance with Maus-Nordmann. I like MANOR, but regard the MausNordmann group as rather outdated and "tradiert". Safeway, excellent in Texas, and who had an excellent outlet in Highstreet Kensington in London in the 70ies in the meantime crashed in Britain. I heard that Woolworth in both Britain and Germany lost out, in spite of Woolworth in Germany having been in a remarkably good position
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Breezy,

You should also do a price comparison against Marktkauf or similar shops from Germany with and without the tax back, using 1.20 to convert the price in chuffs.
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