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Throw away packaging

This stems from the discussion on trash. I think if there was less throw away packaging in the first place, and grocery stores refilled your own containers with fresh ingredients like in the old days. we would have way less trash in this country, which is what we all want. People used to not make much mess in switzerland. Now they do and its cleaned up relentlessly by street cleaners which are also new. We need to eliminate trash in the first place.

For instance: why can't a grocery store freshly cut the ham in front of you? rather than ONLY SELLING nitrate filled lactose preserved ham in the package. Fresh ham is so hard to come by yet the horrible counterpart is not. Even the USA has less throw away packaging than switzerland. Also we should do away with the ugly plastic PET bottles and go back to glass and recycle it properly. We could all have less waste. Who agrees with these points?
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Old 26.09.2012, 19:11
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Re: Throw away packaging

The first step is to change your own behavior as a consumer:

Don't buy pre-packaged foods. If an old fashioned butcher, cheesemonger, dairy, bakery, green grocer or buying direct from the farm isn't an option, one can still buy most of these things unpackaged from the various counters in the grocery store.

Yes, these options are a tad pricier than pre-packaged - but certainly when it comes to produce one saves by not paying for the rotten fruit and veg one always finds hidden in the packaged stuff.

You do know that you have the option of unpacking anything you buy at the store and handing the packaging back to them...

BTW, the butcher, either at the grocery store or an independent shop, will cut ham - and anything else you wish - in front of you. You ony need to ask.

Our local butcher cures his own ham - heavenly stuff. And sources local animals whenever possible. Buying from him rather than Migroop supports local businesses, promotes ethical animal husbandry, as well as cuts down on the food miles. (The downside is that you probably knew the cow...)

Use your consumer vote - support business whose practices mesh with your ideals.

Will changing your individual behavior make a difference? Maybe, maybe not. But you'll feel better.

And now... what do you propose to offer the street sweepers whose jobs you have eliminated?
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Re: Throw away packaging

oh my goodness chill. I'm not talking about the small stores which take hours to buy your whole grocery list. they fit my description. But it is the slightly larger ones that most people shop at such as COOP and Migros. I personally go to COOP and they do not cut the ham from what i have seen. perhaps i should ask. the street sweepers are a great to have. but maybe they would have less work if we didn't have much trash in the first place. Migros is out of control with the packaging, coop less so. Also in Vevey-Montreux we are lacking good farmers markets unfortunately. Yes you are right but we have to realize that most people do shop at the supermarket so we should improve the supermarket sector and keep the small stores all the same. Understand the hassle of running around to 10 different stores looking for someone to cut the ham. Can you get it fresh like that at COOP? Im looking for the good ham in Vevey/Montreux please.
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Old 26.09.2012, 19:30
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Re: Throw away packaging

well, you're definitely not going to like this one
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Re: Throw away packaging

Disagree that the USA has less throw away packaging than Switzerland. Its easily more. Recycling here is better than anywhere else Ive even heard of, and way better than the places I've lived (Australia, UK, USA) which is a good thing.

If you don`t like the packaging there are options in the decent sized supermarkets which have meat counters.

As far as handing back the packaging doesn't really stop the packaging does it? Just makes the supermarket pay for it. Sounds like someones too tight rather than trying to change packaging habits. Handing it back won't bother the supermarkets enough to change their habits.
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Re: Throw away packaging

sorry. i meant the high quality grocery stores over there not the cheap gmo versions. yes they are worse. but for instance we here should learn from the packaging of stores such as whole foods? can anyone think of some alternatives?
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T. Even the USA has less throw away packaging than switzerland. Also we should do away with the ugly plastic
WRONG htf could you claim this the USA is one of the most wasteful places on this earth
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sorry. i meant the high quality grocery stores over there not the cheap gmo versions. yes they are worse. but for instance we here should learn from the packaging of stores such as whole foods? can anyone think of some alternatives?
I dont remember Wholefoods packaging any different than anywhere else. They were just more expensive. Butcher is the answer.
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Re: Throw away packaging

If we all shopped like a guy I was chatting to this week! He asked me how many garbage bags I went thru.

Well, he very proudly told me that this week he had been in his new apartment for 2 years, and had used only FIVE 35ltr bags in all that time!

He does not buy anything in packaging - only has the barest minimum - the plastic around some sausages type of thing. If there is excess packaging he removes it and leaves it in the shop.

He`s not poor by any means, just "thrifty" - he even cuts the fire-starter blocks in half - says half still makes fire! (he is halving something that costs 1.5rappen!)
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Re: Throw away packaging

I'm sort of a garbage taliban. Our household produces about one pint of non-recyclable trash per week and person. No kidding. In other words, with the two of us, it would take much more than half a year to fill one 35 ltr garbage bag. It's all a matter of well-thought-out shopping.
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oh my goodness chill. I'm not talking about the small stores which take hours to buy your whole grocery list. they fit my description. But it is the slightly larger ones that most people shop at such as COOP and Migros. I personally go to COOP and they do not cut the ham from what i have seen. perhaps i should ask. the street sweepers are a great to have. but maybe they would have less work if we didn't have much trash in the first place. Migros is out of control with the packaging, coop less so. Also in Vevey-Montreux we are lacking good farmers markets unfortunately. Yes you are right but we have to realize that most people do shop at the supermarket so we should improve the supermarket sector and keep the small stores all the same. Understand the hassle of running around to 10 different stores looking for someone to cut the ham. Can you get it fresh like that at COOP? Im looking for the good ham in Vevey/Montreux please.
You my friend just don't know where to go to !

Good ham cut off the bone in Vevey is available in at least 2 butcher's shops that i know in Vevey. Venture outside 5 minutes and you'll find farmers markets' in Chatel and Blonay to mention but 2

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Migros is out of control with the packaging, coop less so..
A few months ago I decided to return all Migros packaging to the Migros in as much as I would just drop it into the waste bins which stand around. I tried to be fair and only returned that which was left over after having been sorted: paper, glass and so on. I'm on my own but the amount of packaging I had after shopping only became apparent by me not just throwing it into the normal plastic Pavasac under the sink which makes waste invisible.

Then I noticed that I wasn't the only one doing this - to cut a long story short my local Migros has now removed most of the waste bins and those that stay have been replaced by smaller ones.
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A few months ago I decided to return all Migros packaging to the Migros in as much as I would just drop it into the waste bins which stand around. I tried to be fair and only returned that which was left over after having been sorted: paper, glass and so on. I'm on my own but the amount of packaging I had after shopping only became apparent by me not just throwing it into the normal plastic Pavasac under the sink which makes waste invisible.

Then I noticed that I wasn't the only one doing this - to cut a long story short my local Migros has now removed most of the waste bins and those that stay have been replaced by smaller ones.
If more people did what you did - and then complained about the reduction in bins for returning their packaging - maybe a bit more thought would be put into reducing their packaging .... or into containers large enough to accept it?

One thing I liked about Aldi and Lidle in Germany is that they accept back ALL their packaging - even the plastic!
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He does not buy anything in packaging - only has the barest minimum - the plastic around some sausages type of thing. If there is excess packaging he removes it and leaves it in the shop.
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One thing I liked about Aldi and Lidle in Germany is that they accept back ALL their packaging - even the plastic!
Can someone elaborate? I mean, do you buy the goods wrapped in plastic, take them out of their plastic after going through the till, and then throw it at the feet of the cashier and scream like a banjo or what? Are there bins for this? I've never seen any...
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Re: Throw away packaging

Does one believe the grocery stores have more advanced sorting, reusing and recycling systems to warrant leaving your refuse with them? Or is it a sole personal protest to force the stores to change?
I find both rather naive. The stores have little influence on actual change for the better. If protest is one's game, a complete boycott of a manufacturer's products by thousands of customers might send a message. This phenomenon of over packaging has been done for a reason, albeit a financial reason, but the customer would have to make these methods financially undesirable to the manufacturer to incite any real change. When it comes down to it, generally speaking, the opportunity cost for the consumer to force such change is much greater than that of the large manufacturer.
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Re: Throw away packaging

If there was no cartons and packaging, what would kids play with after they've got bored of all their expensive toys and gadgets?

Very good for their imagination and creative skills.

.... and after an unrealistic period of time, it can still be surreptitiously taken to the recycling, to make space for another chunk of costly plastic.
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Can someone elaborate? I mean, do you buy the goods wrapped in plastic, take them out of their plastic after going through the till, and then throw it at the feet of the cashier and scream like a banjo or what? Are there bins for this? I've never seen any...
In all the Aldi shops I visit around Bern there is a large square bin, after the checkout but before the door. People remove the plastic wrapped pizza and take it home, leaving the box in the store refuse bin.

But what can Aldi do? If you look at an unwrapped frozen pizza they all look the same grey lumpy mess. Are Aldi going to recycle the cardboard box? It is laughable, and not admirable.

These packaging protesters should stop buying convenience food and make their pizzas from the basics, flour yeast oil ham vegetables etc.
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