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Old 04.10.2012, 14:07
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

One good trick is not to convert every item in your head back into Euros.... it is easier that way. Or what is your mother tongue anyhow, you dont mention?

Low quality of life here? You post one mildly depressive comment and get 40 individual and valuable pieces of advice within 24 hours.... hows THAT for quality!
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One good trick is not to convert every item in your head back into Euros.... it is easier that way. Or what is your mother tongue anyhow, you dont mention?

Low quality of life here? You post one mildly depressive comment and get 40 individual and valuable pieces of advice within 24 hours.... hows THAT for quality!
Yep, I compare everything to my wage difference. For every £1 I got at home I get CHF3, so divide (or times) everything by three, makes things a lot less scary.
Also, to be fair, as a single mum, I never really did go out to pubs, dinner, cinema much so.......
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

Another postdoc here in Lausanne. Your salary is not high by local standards, but it is not low either. Are you here alone, or are you also supporting a family?

I suspect you're paying too much rent. As a rule, it's best to keep rent under 30% of your income. Students in my lab pay around 1K for their apartments, and even less if they share.

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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

I presume you live alone, correct? How the hell are you paying 2000K a month for your appartment? Even a half decent 2.5 pce is unlikely to set you back more than 1200 - 1300 in Lausanne, or is it really that much more expensive down there?
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

Your net salary should go up in a month or two because your relocation costs get taxed. There is a swiss-wide law on postdoctoral salaries so it isn't a matter of the poster's ability to negotiate.

Switzerland is expensive, but once you're here longer you should be able to save more. Your moving expenses were mostly one-time purchases so in about 6 months you won't feel like you're just scraping by.
You may never like it here, but things should get better after a few months.
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Do i miss a point here about the so call quality of life?
Short answer: HELL YES!

I am not going to list all the positive things about CH 'cause the list is too long and there are threads about that.

And BTW: Unless that was a typo, may I advise to go to some language courses before you ask for a higher salary :-)
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

I totally agree with the OP here. One of the difficult things to get over here is the fact that on the kind of salary the OP is on it is very difficult to lead what would be considered a normal adult life in a lot of other places.

When I say an adult life I mean having ones own apartment, with enough space to swing a cat and owning a vehicle, giving you the freedom to travel around. I think these are the things that annoyed the OP about Zurich the most.

These things are expensive in Zurich because of two things: space and an extreme wealth gap. These same things apply to only a few cities in the world (London, New York, Tokyo etc). What can be really annoying when you first arrive here is that Zurich is definitely not on a par with these cities, so it can be hard to accept the compromises that have to be made.

There is also the feeling that you are constantly being ripped off in Zurich which is hard to stomach. This is due to a severe lack of choice and competition when it comes to leading a consumer lifestyle that one might be used to in the home country.

At the end of the day, you have to adapt to these limitations otherwise you'll have a rough time here. If you cannot adapt, just try to live a frugal lifestyle, save as much as possible and try to find a way to get back to wherever you want to be with a load of cash
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

...except the OP lives in Lausanne, apparently...
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

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My mistake. I'm not familiar with COL in Lausanne, but I assume it is not far off Zurich?
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

We have a better life + more savings on our two salaries (one postdoc, one part-time non-academic) than we ever did in the same situation in Germany. We live in Zurich, don't own a car but use mobility. On the other hand we can afford to make bi-monthly trips home by plane to NL, and pay 2K for a central appartment more than twice your size. What you are indeed doing wrong is paying way too much for housing.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

I don't think s/he did accept a low salary. Because of how relocation expenses are taxed, I had a low salary for the first few months. It went up after I was settled.

If he or she is a scientist, there is a Swiss law that sets salary. There's nothing s/he could have done about the base salary.
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The problem is not the prices in Switzerland.

The problem is that you have accepted a salary well below the norm for someone with a PhD.

You should have done some research beforehand and you did not. Who's to blame???
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

Depending on where the poster is from s/he may have to pay more to get a landlord to agree to rent to a foreigner.
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I presume you live alone, correct? How the hell are you paying 2000K a month for your appartment? Even a half decent 2.5 pce is unlikely to set you back more than 1200 - 1300 in Lausanne, or is it really that much more expensive down there?

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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

http://www.immoscout24.ch/IS24Web/_V...&type=1&lng=en

There are 2 room flats between SFr 860 and SFr 1220 per month in Lausanne
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

Thank you. I have seen the info you quote and i have encountered with contact with many companies but from the moment my residence permit is still processed, i dont have a choice going with them.
I am of Greek origin, thus in theory i should not deal with problems of getting and L or B permit.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life


Niko

Life will get better with time and so will your salary. Work hard, find yourway around comply with the Swiss way and that should be the start to a betterjourney.

The money you get is not great, I disagree with the people that advocate youshould have did your research etc
If this is the base salary that you get, for research that it, you should be able toleave with that and you could.

On the other hand, normally people with your salary do not go for a 2Kapartment or luxuries, you move step by step. Get a studio first or somethingsmall etc my flat was costing me 900 CHF when I started here and then eventuallyI got to a more expensive and nicer place.

I also agree with members that say that its not all about money, it’s aboutthe day to day life, security and if you sleep well at nights.

I know, I know, we say in Greece “theone that just had a good meal can not really feel the one that is hungry” but thehungry guy better see the big picture not the one meal.


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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

So overall, if it is to start philosophy...that means my fears about the lack...of the so called ''quality'' of life for that range of money are true.
Well how can i find sthng cheaper when I would need a place that two people could actually walk!!! and maybe move a bit..( i live now in 14 sqm2) and if i feel like being in my army period or early student years.
Moreover residence permit is not there so i cannot even apply with most companies...getting a place at a descent price is totally different.
well my picture is indeed dissapointing and to be frank i oversaw the house issue which should have alarmed me...but if it continues like that, i definetely prefer NL or even the bankrupt greece in the sense on how i define quality of life.
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So overall, if it is to start philosophy...that means my fears about the lack...of the so called ''quality'' of life for that range of money are true.
Well how can i find sthng cheaper when I would need a place that two people could actually walk!!! and maybe move a bit..( i live now in 14 sqm2) and if i feel like being in my army period or early student years.
Moreover residence permit is not there so i cannot even apply with most companies...getting a place at a descent price is totally different.
well my picture is indeed dissapointing and to be frank i oversaw the house issue which should have alarmed me...but if it continues like that, i definetely prefer NL or even the bankrupt greece in the sense on how i define quality of life.
To be honest you completely lost me. In your original post you said something about paying 2k for accommodation. Then you spoke about 30sqm. Not it's 14. Is it shrinking, I wonder?

These figures seem widely inconsistent with what the other forum participants have said about rental prices. Having done some research in preparation for our (hopefully eventual) move to Switzerland, they also seem quite far fetched to me.

If anything, I seem to find better value for money in Zurich than in London, i.e. bigger size for the same price, for a similar quality area.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

SO my mistake if i did not make myself understood.
I said that in order to find something descent as i define it (flat furnished of at least 40-50sm2 that i was offered to move or unfurnished with the cost of furniture included/calculated) you need 2k at least.
Moreover not having my residence permit yet I cannot even apply for accommodation through most of the companies in the market.
AS for now I live in 14 sm2 and the price is 1200 CHF with only basic furniture. (single bed, closet, table and two chairs incl a basic kitchinette)...no internet or tv facilities. This of course can't go on for long because if my partner is coming to even visit we won't be able to even breath...(a bit of exaggeration here).
Needless to say that finding an actual place through a company might take ages.
I really hope you have better luck as I dont live in such an ''expensive'' area as Zurich.


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To be honest you completely lost me. In your original post you said something about paying 2k for accommodation. Then you spoke about 30sqm. Not it's 14. Is it shrinking, I wonder?

These figures seem widely inconsistent with what the other forum participants have said about rental prices. Having done some research in preparation for our (hopefully eventual) move to Switzerland, they also seem quite far fetched to me.

If anything, I seem to find better value for money in Zurich than in London, i.e. bigger size for the same price, for a similar quality area.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

P.s. I did not say London was any better. I was offered a 2k salary (net) and i simply denied. But having studied in the UK i know from first hand how life situation is there.
For example i would take the job with no so much skepticism in glasgow...where i studied.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

Swiss quality of life is a misnomer for:-
No choice but high quality options with mediocre value for money.
Still got nice mountains and low crime but the over quoted Swiss quality isn't all that!
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