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''innocent'' as countries like Germany, NL, France

Should we keep reading posts from someone who considers Germany an "innocent" country?

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I assume "posting a letter and knowing it will be delivered the same day or the next" does not apply to Swiss Post? That has never happened to me! Anything from 3 to 10 days so far (including local)
I am afraid you are doing something massively wrong while "posting a letter". May I refer you to the thread on "how to post a letter"? Are you sure you put the envelope in the mailbox and not the trash?

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You could put human beings in paradise and they will still find something to complain about, especially the British.
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You could put human beings in paradise and they will still find something to complain about, especially the British.
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To me it's all about the beaches.
Nuff said.

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I never thought of "quality of life" as being connected with money. To me, it is about safety, security, clean water, clean air, low stress and freedom. I think that Switzerland has all these things no matter no much you get paid
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This is true, but so often on these expat fora the person, who is unhappy and wondering where shangri-la is amid their misery, is beset with judgment that they are somehow unfit for paradise and too stupid to see the forest for the trees. I'm a veteran of moving about the globe, settling in rather quickly and avoiding many of the usual pitfalls that are de rigeur..and I've lived in far more unwelcoming places than Switzerland...but I was surprised at how immediate and unwavering my discontent in Zurich was. When you're unhappy and disconnected, these places can be a life raft for those who are having a rough time finding their way. I'm an old badger so I know the ropes, but for the new and disappointed, a little kindness and understanding can go a long way and is hard to find.

Personally, I identify with most of the OPs questions as I often wondered the same things....at 3x the income. It's not so much about the money, but money is quantifiable whereas wanting an ocean instead of a foggy lake isn't quite as much.

One thing that would be interesting to research is the top 10 things on a wide range of expat fora that expats find difficult and use that to chart an index, similar to the QoL that everyone uses but doesn't quite understand, that might have more meaning for those looking to move/immigrate somewhere.
Sure we veterans can be a bit brusk at times. But that's the internet for you. Personally, I find EF quite mild. My work related forums are much worse and if you are thin skinned don't go to toytown.

Most people are trying to help though. The OP has made his post/conclusion after a week. And really some of his data is flawed or based upon assumptions from other places. Some things are not the same in Switzerland like the ubiquitous company cars/tax game from BeNeLux or furnished places that are not common here at all. It comes across like he's (or rather some posters who ask for advice) are not interested in hearing anything different from what they have decided. So there isn't much we can do but talk to ourselves.

Of course we could be wrong and he's now looking with different eyes. As you say, you have to be open minded, a bit of an explorer and challenge your assumptions to live in a new place. When we are inflexible we are only going to hit our heads on the brick wall.

I'm always amazed though that we do come to very different conclusion about places. I swear I live in a parallel universe. Like I said, this was the same when I disliked the place I was living. I just couldn't see what everyone was talking about. That's why I know it's all about us and not about Switzerland or X country/city. If you want Ibiza, Lausanne is never going to be an adequate substitute.

Anyway, I told you it's a bad idea to move to Zurich. It's sunny over here. I'm with you on missing the ocean though. Sometimes when there is fog on the French side you can pretend it's not even there. :P
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You could put human beings in paradise and they will still find something to complain about, especially the British.
I've always said "Brits are happiest when their miserable"
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

So, because you mentioned that i have already made some conclusions..Could you please name a couple (not many) of things that are better in Switzerland when compared to Austria, NL , France or Belgium for example? (having the same relevant scale of salaries)

and i do accept the scenery, freshness of air-water, mountains, safety..but Austria, France, Belgium or NL can offer exactly the same.. (apart from the mountains when it comes to the latter 2).

What is so ''unique'' in this country that i miss?

P.S. I dont complain about people or culture as they have been nice and helpfull i.e. dealing with administration (even if rather relatively slow), bank account, etc.

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Sure we veterans can be a bit brusk at times. But that's the internet for you. Personally, I find EF quite mild. My work related forums are much worse and if you are thin skinned don't go to toytown.

Most people are trying to help though. The OP has made his post/conclusion after a week. And really some of his data is flawed or based upon assumptions from other places. Some things are not the same in Switzerland like the ubiquitous company cars/tax game from BeNeLux or furnished places that are not common here at all. It comes across like he's (or rather some posters who ask for advice) are not interested in hearing anything different from what they have decided. So there isn't much we can do but talk to ourselves.

Of course we could be wrong and he's now looking with different eyes. As you say, you have to be open minded, a bit of an explorer and challenge your assumptions to live in a new place. When we are inflexible we are only going to hit our heads on the brick wall.

I'm always amazed though that we do come to very different conclusion about places. I swear I live in a parallel universe. Like I said, this was the same when I disliked the place I was living. I just couldn't see what everyone was talking about. That's why I know it's all about us and not about Switzerland or X country/city. If you want Ibiza, Lausanne is never going to be an adequate substitute.

Anyway, I told you it's a bad idea to move to Zurich. It's sunny over here. I'm with you on missing the ocean though. Sometimes when there is fog on the French side you can pretend it's not even there. :P
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why does a burger in a German McDonalds cost half as much as one here?

why a liter of milk in Germany, with 19%VAT is only .50-Euro cents when the same liter here with 9%VAT is 2.00-CHF.
WHY? Because the MCDonalds worker and the farmer have a decent quality of life here.

In don't know about the farmers, but I am sure this is not the case of McDonalds
workers in Germany!
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So, because you mentioned that i have already made some conclusions..Could you please name a couple (not many) of things that are better in Switzerland when compared to Austria, NL , France or Belgium for example? (having the same relevant scale of salaries)

and i do accept the scenery, freshness of air-water, mountains, safety..but Austria, France, Belgium or NL can offer exactly the same.. (apart from the mountains when it comes to the latter 2).

What is so ''unique'' in this country that i miss?

P.S. I dont complain about people or culture as they have been nice and helpfull i.e. dealing with administration (even if rather relatively slow), bank account, etc.
I was going to say there are more smokers in Austria, but according to this, the two countries are neck and neck.

Look, it's personal preference, and it takes time to like a place, feel comfortable. When I moved to the Munich area I just wished it was the Mannheim area as I knew it better. When I moved here I wished it was more like Munich, as we had been there 2 years and I was familiar with the place. We have been in CH just over a year and I am finally starting to feel it is home and enjoy what there is to offer. Happiness starts in the home...or something like that
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

Fair enough if you like it. I am not saying it is a bad country. What i want to know when it comes to the so called high standards of swiss quality of life...is if you could please name a couple OBJECTIVE (not many) things that are better in Switzerland when compared to Austria, NL , France or Belgium for example? (having the same relevant scale of salaries)

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I was going to say there are more smokers in Austria, but according to this, the two countries are neck and neck.

Look, it's personal preference, and it takes time to like a place, feel comfortable. When I moved to the Munich area I just wished it was the Mannheim area as I knew it better. When I moved here I wished it was more like Munich, as we had been there 2 years and I was familiar with the place. We have been in CH just over a year and I am finally starting to feel it is home and enjoy what there is to offer. Happiness starts in the home...or something like that
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Fair enough if you like it. I am not saying it is a bad country. What i want to know when it comes to the so called high standards of swiss quality of life...is if you could please name a couple OBJECTIVE (not many) things that are better in Switzerland when compared to Austria, NL , France or Belgium for example? (having the same relevant scale of salaries)
since it's a Friday, I will go with wähe. in fact, I would guess that before I leave Switzerland I will have typed the word "wähe" at least 1,000 times in posts on the EF.
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Fair enough if you like it. I am not saying it is a bad country. What i want to know when it comes to the so called high standards of swiss quality of life...is if you could please name a couple OBJECTIVE (not many) things that are better in Switzerland when compared to Austria, NL , France or Belgium for example? (having the same relevant scale of salaries)
CH has much better public transport, better weather, more interesting and varied countryside and is much cleaner and safer than NL or BE.

Apart from better public transport, there is little in it between here and Austria.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

What is better here compared to France? Have you talked to postdocs there? There is NO funding, period. It would be much tougher for your career if you did your first postdoc in France. Assuming you picked Switzerland knowing this fact and not based on the same amount of research you did for the COL?
NL is a great place to be a PhD student, second to none, totally agree. But it is not as great a place to be a mid-career successful adult with a family. Switzerland is the opposite I guess.
Quality of life is relative like all others mentioned. We have great jobs with job security that allow to still have work-life balance (not easy to find in the US), can afford to travel wherever we want to (family of 5), don't have to worry about safety of our children, and the older are able to find jobs in no time (no youth unemployment like in most of Europe). We own a beautiful house in a pretty little village that doesn't cost much at all in terms of monthly mortgage and has easy public transport connections for the kids (Zurich 45 min away by bus/train) and easy car commute for us. Biking, hiking on well maintained trails right outside the door, skiing 1 hour away. Most of Europe is just a short hop away... Good schools (France again?)... Kids can go to winter and summer camps for a pittance... There are sheep, pigs and cows to entertain the dog on every walk :-)

We have no problems affording basics because we do our research... Other than eating out and paying for services such as house repairs, the rest of our expenses are not outrageously higher than in the US.

Maybe it is only the place for you for a year, and you will never grow to like it. But it is really not that bad for plenty of other people, many of whom have tried lots of other places and did not to have to come here out of necessity, but had plenty of choices.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

What amazes me is the lack of research people do before coming here - especially when they could quite easily come and see for themselves. An EasyJet flight for the weekend for the OP from AMS to GVA would probably not cost much more than EUR 100. An expensive train ticket to Lausanne, and an even more expensive stay in an hotel might ring alarm bells. A shocked study of free publications like Toute Immobiliere for accommodation (and a quick visit to some of the areas mentioned therein), looking with horror at the menus outside restaurants and an eye-popping sightseeing trip round a supermarket would probably give some pause for thought.

To look at the pretty tourist brochures, to believe the Swiss hype about quality without a degree of scepticism is willful negligence.

To the OP, as others have already said, you're paying far too much for your accommodation, you should be able to find something unfurnished much cheaper. For furnishing, there are plenty of secondhand or even free options - being so rich, people here seem to think nothing of throwing out perfectly good furniture. Wait for the collection day and scour the streets and take whatever you need.

In Lausanne, unfortunately you don't have the opportunity of easily shopping in France (unless you take the boat to Thonon or Evian - might be fun once in while but hardly practical or even economically worthwhile)

And don't forget that tomorrow (6th Oct) there's some great free entertainment just down the lake from you in Morges: the Classic British car meeting: a relaxed afternoon looking at old motors in a lovely setting.
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Get over it and get out there and live it Nikokons....! 133 posts now and the same old stories over and over!

Or do you count checking internet fora as a very positive quality of life experience compared to the opportunities that lie just outside your door? Seems so.
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WHY? Because the MCDonalds worker and the farmer have a decent quality of life here.

In don't know about the farmers, but I am sure this is not the case of McDonalds
workers in Germany!
..don't be too sure about your statement.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

it really seems you have a bigger problem than I do....
OK! administrators close this forum. Case solved as discussion is not permitted by Mr or Ms Krlock3

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Get over it and get out there and live it Nikokons....! 133 posts now and the same old stories over and over!

Or do you count checking internet fora as a very positive quality of life experience compared to the opportunities that lie just outside your door? Seems so.
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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

Its just another point of view thats all. Complaining about quality of life here, but you know, there are many things to do in life. Guess its what you make of it, or?
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[QUOTE=krlock3;1681304]Its just another point of view thats all. Complaining about quality of life here, but you know, there are many things to do in life. Guess its what you make of it, or?[/QUOTE]

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Re: The supposed Swiss ''quality'' of life

Well regardless of what I do or don't...you seem to start heavily being ''engaged'' with it... so my ''misery'' vs what? urs???? enjoy the sun people. and if you dont like the discussion just dont participate or if you have the power close it, stop it or make it inactive. simple as that.

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