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Next time, keep one of these in your bag, and use it when you're at a table - right in front of you.

Well my bag was right in front of me too i could see it at all times but you can not chat to your friend and constatly stare at ur bag they only need a second believe me they were super fast
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Well since Monday almost everybody i spoke to either experienced or knew someone that been pickpocketed in the past year in CH.
I still dont think its that bad. theres crime in every country buti still feel safer walking on my own in Basel rather than at home abd im really thankful for that.
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I dislike those hooks..

I was really surprised when i moved here first that people actually used them!

Id hang my jacket but nevere my handbag... 9 times outta 10 there is too much of me in it

I hope they didnt get too much from you although i know the real hardship is cancling cards and phone contracts etc..

Good luck
Niamhie, unfortunately they did take alot ...over the past few years my husband gave me gifts like LV handbag and purse, and my 10 day old Iphone 5, all bank cards and worst of all, my passport that i forgot it was in my bag last 2 days...

Lucky i m insured for most of it but
Last couple of days has been a paperwork operation in my house

Apart from that i feel really insecure even to go out of house so i say they took far too much
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Re: Watch out your handbags in Zurich

I have seen some comments on here about why aren't train conductors, bar owners, or whoever not posting signs or giving the air about them that Switzerland is safe and perfect. If you haven't noticed, this country is full of foreigners, most of us included. And I say this not to be ignorant. But back in most of our own home countries, with the exception of the Cannucks, we are more careful of pickpocketers, of petty thiefs, and the like. Why if I don't trust any of you back in the US, or London, or Berlin, should I be assuming to trust you cause there are different flags flying over our heads? Toppgraphically(might've made up that word a bit), people living out in the country side, while you are having a glass of wine, surrounded mostly by Swiss people, you will almost never get your purse snatched, or pick pocketed. Go into an area filled with more of US, and it might happen. And there are stats to back that info up.

I personally haven't had that happen, but when I was in the police station reporting an assualt on me a couple years back, with the help of 2 EFers, there were several reported thefts that happened mostly to other foreigners while in Zurich over a 2 hour period of time. One common theme was to follow women with children, then one thief would lunge at a child and push them on the ground, distracting the woman, in all cases these were english or russian speaking women, while the women attended to the children, while a 2nd thief swiped the mother's purse or whatever else. That really is BS. They were targeted because they were thought to be foreigners, and assumably hard for them to press charges if they leave, or hard to find help if they can't speak the language, or just plain hard when trying to defend your child.

The police said this had happened often, and were committed by foreigners, in this case they had made prior arrests of people from the Balkans, this is not to say all these crimes are always committed by them as well.

I'm just saying I am always careful, I always lock my doors, I always change my patterns of coming and going to my place, my work schedule, I don't bring valuables out with me if I can avoid it, and the least amount of ID's a possible, I look like a dork, but if I have a back pack, I carry it forward(2times already have caught theives with their hands in my bag when slung on my back, once in Marseille, once in New York), and so on. If you want to keep it, you need to protect it.

But just for the record, a couple of weeks back, after a night out at the pub in Luasanne, I came back to my car, parked it on the street, and took what I thought was going to be a 15 or 20 minute nap. Turned into about 8 hours. I fell asleep with the doors un locked, my wallet and about 200 in cash out on the front seat of the car. Amongst other things. Nothing happend to me or the cash.
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Re: Watch out your handbags in Zurich

It may well be that the police will recover your bag, purse and cards in the next few days, because the thieves try to get rid of those fairlly quickly, but obviously your iphone and cash are long gone.
Don't let the experience get you down, otherwise the thieves will have really triumphed. Just put it down to experience and maybe use a more neutral handbag.
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I have seen some comments on here about why aren't train conductors, bar owners, or whoever not posting signs or giving the air about them that Switzerland is safe and perfect. If you haven't noticed, this country is full of foreigners, most of us included. And I say this not to be ignorant. But back in most of our own home countries, with the exception of the Cannucks, we are more careful of pickpocketers, of petty thiefs, and the like. Why if I don't trust any of you back in the US, or London, or Berlin, should I be assuming to trust you cause there are different flags flying over our heads? Toppgraphically(might've made up that word a bit), people living out in the country side, while you are having a glass of wine, surrounded mostly by Swiss people, you will almost never get your purse snatched, or pick pocketed. Go into an area filled with more of US, and it might happen. And there are stats to back that info up.

I personally haven't had that happen, but when I was in the police station reporting an assualt on me a couple years back, with the help of 2 EFers, there were several reported thefts that happened mostly to other foreigners while in Zurich over a 2 hour period of time. One common theme was to follow women with children, then one thief would lunge at a child and push them on the ground, distracting the woman, in all cases these were english or russian speaking women, while the women attended to the children, while a 2nd thief swiped the mother's purse or whatever else. That really is BS. They were targeted because they were thought to be foreigners, and assumably hard for them to press charges if they leave, or hard to find help if they can't speak the language, or just plain hard when trying to defend your child.

The police said this had happened often, and were committed by foreigners, in this case they had made prior arrests of people from the Balkans, this is not to say all these crimes are always committed by them as well.

I'm just saying I am always careful, I always lock my doors, I always change my patterns of coming and going to my place, my work schedule, I don't bring valuables out with me if I can avoid it, and the least amount of ID's a possible, I look like a dork, but if I have a back pack, I carry it forward(2times already have caught theives with their hands in my bag when slung on my back, once in Marseille, once in New York), and so on. If you want to keep it, you need to protect it.

But just for the record, a couple of weeks back, after a night out at the pub in Luasanne, I came back to my car, parked it on the street, and took what I thought was going to be a 15 or 20 minute nap. Turned into about 8 hours. I fell asleep with the doors un locked, my wallet and about 200 in cash out on the front seat of the car. Amongst other things. Nothing happend to me or the cash.


Come to think of it all people who told me they experienced this or know people did are foreigners. However when i mentioned to my swiss friends they were in shock horror and surprise. As these things never happen here... Now i m wondering if only foreigners are targeted. Police believes these are done by eastern european gangs so foreigners stealing from foreigners so no big deal )
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Your English is a whole lot better than my French will ever be.
Thanks. My English is also better since I join EF.

I got my purse stolen while I was busy teaching illustrator in the computer room back it Istanbul. It was my own fault as I remember two workers who came to fix things in the school and didn't think much of it....

So many tourists here in Barcelona walk like nothing can happen to them and very often, I get out of my way t point it out to them that their bags are an easy target to thieves.

I am very street wise, back then, I just didn't think I could have been a victim in my own class room.

I see how thieves operate now and I can see them coming. Hopefully I won't drop my guards ever again. Inshallah
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Thanks. My English is also better since I join EF.

I got my purse stolen while I was busy teaching illustrator in the computer room back it Istanbul. It was my own fault as I remember two workers who came to fix things in the school and didn't think much of it....

So many tourists here in Barcelona walk like nothing can happen to them and very often, I get out of my way t point it out to them that their bags are an easy target to thieves.

I am very street wise, back then, I just didn't think I could have been a victim in my own class room.

I see how thieves operate now and I can see them coming. Hopefully I won't drop my guards ever again. Inshallah
Nil, did they try to break into ur flat in CH or istanbul?
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Nil, did they try to break into ur flat in CH or istanbul?
Or Barcelona ?
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Or Barcelona ?


Istanbul.

Ok, it wasn't in CH but it still count, right?
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Pls dont say CH )
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Re: Watch out your handbags in Zurich

Well my point still stand. If you had your keys and any kind of informations to where you live, you should change the locks. To be on the saFe side.

This is pretty international, really. They steal and wait for a bit so you feel back to normal and one day, they give you a visit at home.
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Why if I don't trust any of you back in the US, or London, or Berlin, should I be assuming to trust you cause there are different flags flying over our heads?
This exactly.

DH and I have traveled and lived all over the world - and the only place either of us has been robbed is Switzerland. Why? Because we had let our guard down, left our 'street smarts' at home.

It happened to OH as he was packing groceries - put his wallet down on the counter for a second as he was putting the eggs in the bag - something he'd never, ever do at home. Gone before he could blink.

Happened to me on the train. A woman with a child in a stroller asked if I could help her get the stroller off. As I picked up the stroller end someone snached my bag. The police said that the mum and pickpocket were likely working together, as several similar reports had been made. Back home I have my pickpocket radar on at all times, and can usually spot this kind of thing.

But we - who should know better - fell into complacency here. As they say - even though I hate this phrase:

Selber schuld.


BTW, both incidents were about 12 years ago, so can't even blame the bilateral treaties.
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Well my point still stand. If you had your keys and any kind of informations to where you live, you should change the locks. To be on the saFe side.

This is pretty international, really. They steal and wait for a bit so you feel back to normal and one day, they give you a visit at home.
You are right Nil. We have changed all the locks but i just dont want them to even try.

Never mind. Just seen another post a young guy missing for months his family have no idea if he is safe so in the scheme of things we are safe and healthy, everything else is replaceable.
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You are right Nil. We have changed all the locks but i just dont want them to even try.

Never mind. Just seen another post a young guy missing for months his family have no idea if he is safe so in the scheme of things we are safe and healthy, everything else is replaceable.
I didn't sleep well for monts after... Knowing someone tried to break in and keys didn't match. I saw damage on the door trying to break into luckily without success.

I have a friend who was robbed at night in Zurich. They came in, took quick things and left while he was asleep. They even took his wallet next to his head.

You can imagine the shock when he woke up and his jeans weren't in his bedroom but in the living room, etc!?!
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My friend got her handbag stolen a couple of weeks ago whilst we where in the Hiltl in Zurich.
We where in the middle of the bar, so not by a door convenient for a thief, and not where people can just wonder past, but by the end of the evening it was gone along with her phone, keys, purse etc.
So be warned for sure, as safe a s Switzerland is, and it is, its not immune to the scum element. As obvious as that sounds, it caught me by surprise.

My question now, as a useless man, where do you get those handbag hook thingys as i would like to buy my friend one?
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Yes I think some of you are missing the point. Yes Switzerland remains very safe, but the authorities are by and large pretending it still deserves the crime free reputation it once had.

I travelled on the Zurich to Geneva line regularly for 3 years and never heard an announcement to be careful. But its a notorious line for baggage thieves as the line serves both airports and is full of jet lagged people crossing the country. I know many people who have been robbed on this train. I myself got complacent after a bad day at the office and had my wallet stolen. The conductors reaction was like the OPs bartender "ooh that happens all the time".

Simply not acceptable level of risk management from these service providers on behalf of their customers.
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Yes I think some of you are missing the point. Yes Switzerland remains very safe, but the authorities are by and large pretending it still deserves the crime free reputation it once had.

I travelled on the Zurich to Geneva line regularly for 3 years and never heard an announcement to be careful. But its a notorious line for baggage thieves as the line serves both airports and is full of jet lagged people crossing the country. I know many people who have been robbed on this train. I myself got complacent after a bad day at the office and had my wallet stolen. The conductors reaction was like the OPs bartender "ooh that happens all the time".

Simply not acceptable level of risk management from these service providers on behalf of their customers.
I've never met a Swiss Polizei officer that pretended to me that this was a crime free and very safe area.
I have been on the train lines all through out the Zuri, Lucerne, Basel, Baden areas, and have seen countless Bahnsecurity officers. There are cameras at every station, large and small. I doubt they are taking a hands off approach. But people have to look out for their own. Police are almost never there to stop crime before it happens, except of course when someone tells them in advance they are going to do it.
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This can happen in almost every town in the world at some time. It is a timely warning for everyone to take care of their possessions.
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There are signs up around the Bahnhofs and especially during the holiday seasons you will hear repeated announcements to watch your belongings. However, if you don't understand the language then you miss out. Many times foreigners, especially Americans, speak boldly and loud making themselves easy targets. The thieves watch and see how careless the individual is, and there you go. I don't know anyone who has ever had anything stolen from them or pick-pocketed. However, I hope the OP gets her important objects back or at least no harm comes because of their disappearance. Good Luck...
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