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Old 20.10.2012, 11:27
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Virtual life

At work I deal mostly with people via email or Skype (field sales offices, contractors abroad, vendors etc.). I seldom or never see them physically. Being an "expat" here I also communicate with my friends both here and abroad mainly via email or chat. In the office I am surrounded by people doing the same...sitting all day behind a computer screen communicating electronically. The occasional interaction at the coffee machine is filled mainly with platitudes or talk about the weather, just long enough to fill a cup before returning to the desk. On the weekends entertainment comes either from watching something online or on the TV with immediate family, or doing isolated exercise such as biking or going to the gym (where everyone is wearing headphones). In the winter it's skiing, but I also find skiing an isolating activity as everyone is too busy whizzing by each other on the slopes to actually interact.

I feel slowly like life is turning into a prison cell where interaction with people has been reduced to passing electronic notes back and forth through the bars. I look at my teenage children and see them doing similar things with their phones...texting, posting on facebook. What kind of a society are we becoming? This forum is also perfect example of virtual life. We communicate anonymously, most of us never seeing or knowing who we are talking to.

Does this not bother anyone else? And yes, I have joined a few "offline" events, but found them too random and unsustainable as they involved too many people from too many different backgrounds all living in different places.
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At work I deal mostly with people via email or Skype (field sales offices, contractors abroad, vendors etc.). I seldom or never see them physically. Being an "expat" here I also communicate with my friends both here and abroad mainly via email or chat. In the office I am surrounded by people doing the same...sitting all day behind a computer screen communicating electronically. The occasional interaction at the coffee machine is filled mainly with platitudes or talk about the weather, just long enough to fill a cup before returning to the desk. On the weekends entertainment comes either from watching something online or on the TV with immediate family, or doing isolated exercise such as biking or going to the gym (where everyone is wearing headphones). In the winter it's skiing, but I also find skiing an isolating activity as everyone is too busy whizzing by each other on the slopes to actually interact.

I feel slowly like life is turning into a prison cell where interaction with people has been reduced to passing electronic notes back and forth through the bars. I look at my teenage children and see them doing similar things with their phones...texting, posting on facebook. What kind of a society are we becoming? This forum is also perfect example of virtual life. We communicate anonymously, most of us never seeing or knowing who we are talking to.

Does this not bother anyone else? And yes, I have joined a few "offline" events, but found them too random and unsustainable as they involved too many people from too many different backgrounds all living in different places.
It bothers me too. Not on a personal level though. I guess I am too old to take these forums, facebooks and twitters too serious and I certainly refuse to answer mails from my collegue next door by simply opening the door and asking him what he exactly wants.
But I think more and more especially young people take the internet for real and get influenced by it more and more. They tend to forget that you can't call somebody a friend you never met, simply because you can't judge somebody just by reading some posts.
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Old 20.10.2012, 11:42
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Re: Virtual life

Interestingly, I've just been reading a book, where it mentions, how much more we interact with each other through modern media. The question bares, how can we compare this interaction with actual face to face communication? In a sense, we're being far more efficient by sending emails and skyping on the other hand, how much of this e-interaction is fruitful and doesn't just fill in the gap to undermime our monotonous lifestyle.
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Old 20.10.2012, 11:44
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Go down the pub (or Weinstübli or whatever). Go again the following week. Repeat until you get an invitation to the Stammtisch.

Real life achieved - but there's no guarantee that it will be any more fulfilling than your virtual one.
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Old 20.10.2012, 11:59
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Re: Virtual life

Non of us really exist .... we all exist in pods, being "fed" our lives via electrical impulses, whilst being fattened up, to later to be turned into pulp in order to feed the machine ...... but there is a way out ...............
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Old 20.10.2012, 12:09
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Re: Virtual life

I definitely hear ya on that...

It's ironic to me that for all the supposed progress that has been made as regards means of communication eg Internet, Skype, FB, Twitter, forums, cellphones yada yada - you name it - many people feel more isolated than ever in this so called electronic/digital/virtual age.

To be frank, I began disliking what was rapidly becoming a 24/7/365 virtual life a while back and decided to act. Whilst I accept there's not much I can do about that with regards to my work as it forms a big part of it, I've taken active steps to limit the amount of time spent online when not working and enjoying the results...

Simple changes such as not checking personal emails on a daily basis nor responding to work emails at weekends unless absolutely necessary, limiting texting, turning the cellphone off after a certain time in the evening, not logging into Skype all the time, spending more time in the great outdoors and more have made a big difference.

I also made my daily fitness program a T.O.P priority ie it is now my numero uno daily activity before anything else and I do not switch on my computer until it's done. Believe me that was hard in the beginning, especially when it comes to my work but was very necessary...
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Old 20.10.2012, 13:30
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Re: Virtual life

I was just reading this on my iPhone when there was a terrible moment when the train went into a tunnel. My signal was lost, the page wouldn't load. My post wouldn't post. I felt suddenly so alone, cut off from the real world which I connect to via the interweb. I looked around me in the train carriage; everyone has earphones and my missus is reading a book about the destruction of the earth*. I tried to remember childhood when we actually interacted in the physical world, when the whole family watched the same telly. It's so long ago I don't know if I can remember how to do it.

Fortunately the train came out of the tunnel before I had to interact with anyone so I am safe again now. Phew.


*finally got her reading hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy :-)
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Old 20.10.2012, 14:13
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Does this not bother anyone else? And yes, I have joined a few "offline" events, but found them too random and unsustainable as they involved too many people from too many different backgrounds all living in different places.
The virtual life doesn't bother me because it's your choice how much you get involved in it. You can't change your work environment but you have control over the after-work life, whether it's switching off the tv and going for an evening walk or going to an event where you'll eventually run into a group of people you can connect with.

I'm not emailing/chatting much with friends from back home because I realized I can't keep up with their lives and live mine here. We catch up over coffee on my trips back instead when I learn much more about what's going on than in an email.
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Old 20.10.2012, 15:23
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Re: Virtual life

I'm probably one of the few Luddites around who is not on FB, Twitter, etc. Expat and dog forums and newspapers are pretty much it for me - and each of those serves a specific and limited purpose.

I am grateful for the ability to maintain connections with family electronically, especially now with elderly parents. Skyping has been a godsend; the ability to see one another as we talk, to show my mother the garden, to let my father 'talk' to the dogs, has helped the parents feel much more a part of our lives over here. My going-deaf mother can better understand the conversation if she sees me, and certainly it helps my father with Alzheimer's and my MIL with cognitive difficulties to keep connected.

Like any tool, it's how you use it. Our gadgets should be a way to enhance our real lives, not a replacement.

(I may not have the will power to get off EF when I should, but fortunately I have a four-footed reminder system in place. When it has been deemed that I have been online too long I am brought balls, stuffy toys, leads. Even an online addict couldn't resist those big brown pleading eyes... computer off, and out we go. )
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Re: Virtual life

Definitely agree with you Karl. My personal observation has been that social skills seem to have degraded as people became more and more hooked to virtual/digital entertainment/communication.

Using modern technology is perfectly fine, and should be encouraged. The problem is when people become so 'dominated' by it that they struggle to function properly on their own.

A few examples:

-the time I was eating dinner with two acquaintances and the table was completely silent because both of them were busy texting on their phones

-the time I took two friends over to another friend's house (who hadn't met them before) and they spent most of the evening sending out messages on their smartphones (must have been What'sApp, or something like that, because the messages kept going back and forth throughout the evening).

-an incident someone narrated to me about how on her first day of university, they were given 30 minutes to get to know each other, and as soon as this social session started most people whipped out their phones from their pockets and occupied themselves for the whole half hour
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Old 20.10.2012, 17:42
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Re: Virtual life

Lucky you ! its not like . Fishing ,planting a garden,picking beans ,tomatos ,racking leaves , drive to toronto ,quebec city ,bowling, curling ,driving the wife mad and learn how to spell
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Old 20.10.2012, 18:24
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Re: Virtual life

In real life meetings I find myself constantly groaning at people or throwing throwing red or green smarties at them.

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Old 20.10.2012, 18:32
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Re: Virtual life

Actually for somebody who is well into IT, my life tends to be a lot more real than virtual. I stopped using Facebook over a year ago, I've never skyped with anybody, I've never twittered, I only check my personal emails once a week - if that.

This place is really my only virtual life presence, and even then I don't see it as a virtual life as I know and have met a lot of members of this forum in real life.

The vast majority of my Internet use is based around knowledge acquisition and learning, not socialising. Socialising I leave to the real world. Mind you I find striking up a conversation with people I've never met before really easy and preferable to doing that in a virtual environment. Typing is such a pain in the arse
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Old 20.10.2012, 18:35
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Actually for somebody who is well into IT, my world. Mind you I find striking up a conversation with people I've never met before really easy and preferable to doing that in a virtual environment. Typing is such a pain in the arse
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Well, you have twice as many posts as I have despite joining the forum more than a year later than I did. I rest my case
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Old 20.10.2012, 22:19
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Re: Virtual life

Yeah, but count the characters in each of your last posts ...
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Communication takes 2 people minimum.....
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Well, you have twice as many posts as I have despite joining the forum more than a year later than I did. I rest my case
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Old 20.10.2012, 22:48
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Re: Virtual life

The ability to vocalise when communicating is what sets us apart from the other species on the planet, and was the main contributory factor in the enlargement of the human brain.

Now it appears that many are into brain washing and brain shrinkage.

..... and I thought Planet of the Apes was just a work of fiction.
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Karl, the most important step with any such problem, is to recognize it and acknowledge it. So now you can take steps to take steps away from the virtual world in private life. Take a course in anything you are interested in - be it pottery, yoga or photgraphy, etc, - join a language class, or any kind of club - and get away from that 'puter.

(Some will laugh re my number of posts - but I have a LOT of free time- and type fast! - most of my life is defo not virtual despite apparances)
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