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Meaning of Expat?

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"An expatriate (in abbreviated form, expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country and culture other than that of the person's upbringing

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In Switzerland, the term "expat" is not used for all foreigners living and working there, but only to those on "expat" contracts. Typical Swiss expats will be living in housing provided by the employer, with most other expenses such as children's (English) education also paid by the employer. In theory, this is because they are still maintaining a home in their original country. This is in strong contrast with those on "local" contracts who are treated and paid like other locals. The "expats" have a reputation of being flush with money, and raising the prices for others who are not subsidised in this way. Expat contracts are usually time limited, so the expats either move on to another assignment, or are given a local contract without expat subsidies."


I have thought the same as Swiss version "Immigrants is not equal to expats". I am an immigrant but not an expat. But these days I feel that every immigrants like to call themselves expat and be part of exclusive circle. So, I decided to call myself an expat from today on so that I can join exclusive expat club and drinking
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Re: Meaning of Expat?

I donno what i am... Lost in translation maybe-
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"An expatriate (in abbreviated form, expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country and culture other than that of the person's upbringing

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In Switzerland, the term "expat" is not used for all foreigners living and working there, but only to those on "expat" contracts. Typical Swiss expats will be living in housing provided by the employer, with most other expenses such as children's (English) education also paid by the employer. In theory, this is because they are still maintaining a home in their original country. This is in strong contrast with those on "local" contracts who are treated and paid like other locals. The "expats" have a reputation of being flush with money, and raising the prices for others who are not subsidised in this way. Expat contracts are usually time limited, so the expats either move on to another assignment, or are given a local contract without expat subsidies."

I have thought the same as Swiss version "Immigrants is not equal to expats". I am an immigrant but not an expat. But these days I feel that every immigrants like to call themselves expat and be part of exclusive circle. So, I decided to call myself an expat from today on so that I can join exclusive expat club and drinking
I am neither an immigrant nor an expat. I'm just an Ausländer having a good time.
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Re: Meaning of Expat?

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"An expatriate (in abbreviated form, expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country and culture other than that of the person's upbringing

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In Switzerland, the term "expat" is not used for all foreigners living and working there, but only to those on "expat" contracts. Typical Swiss expats will be living in housing provided by the employer, with most other expenses such as children's (English) education also paid by the employer. In theory, this is because they are still maintaining a home in their original country. This is in strong contrast with those on "local" contracts who are treated and paid like other locals. The "expats" have a reputation of being flush with money, and raising the prices for others who are not subsidised in this way. Expat contracts are usually time limited, so the expats either move on to another assignment, or are given a local contract without expat subsidies."

I have thought the same as Swiss version "Immigrants is not equal to expats". I am an immigrant but not an expat. But these days I feel that every immigrants like to call themselves expat and be part of exclusive circle. So, I decided to call myself an expat from today on so that I can join exclusive expat club and drinking
Not sure I would use Wikipedia as a reliable source of information...

However, based on that definition I don't fit under the "expat" umbrella... I am not flushed with money and I am doing my best not to raise prices... Hmmm, maybe I should look into becoming an expat, seems like a very lucrative bunch of people!
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I think exactly like this explanation. I am an expat. The big money, the standing is not given to all expats but all expats moved away because of work.

I never had an expat salary, nor hubby. An immigrant is someone who moved to somewhere else in research of a better life. I am not an immigrant, I moved for my job and get caught by destiny and never went back home. I am still not a local since I might move again in the futur.

Maybe eventually, we settle somewhere for good and I won't be an expat anymore.
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An immigrant is someone who moved to somewhere else in research of a better life.
No, an immigrant is simply someone who moved somewhere else. The reasons for the move are irrelevant to the definition of the word.

FWIW I've always thought of expats as being people that still consider their original country as 'Home' and may consider moving back there at some future point, regardless of whether they're on expat contracts, loadsa money or just bumming around for a season in a ski resort.

So that definition excludes us, as we definitely think of where we are now as 'home' and won't be moving back to the UK. Although 'home' currently spans two countries, but that's another matter altogether.
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Re: Meaning of Expat?

I'm an ex-nothing ..... I'm Mel Gibson.
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Re: Meaning of Expat?

Expat has so many different meanings...

According to the Steueramt, the first part of the Wiki definition applies - an expat is someone brought here by his/her company for a limited time. Special conditions apply, such as the ability to maintain home country or international health insurance, pay home country social taxes rather than Swiss ones, etc.

Note that this does not equate expat status with being high rollers. Many folks on expat packages are doing normal jobs, earning normal pay - and sometimes less than their Swiss counterparts sitting in the next cubicle. Some get housing assistance, some do not. Some get education benefits, some do not.

The gilded expat packages of yore largely disappeared with the economic downturn. Few companies need to dangle that carrot anymore, nor can they justify the expense for any but the most in-demand, highly skilled employees.

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I've left my home country, ergo I have expatriated. For the moment. Not to be confused with the final expatriation where one hands in the blue book. I am an expat in that I live outside my home country, but it is still my home country. My family, my ties, my roots are all still there. When visiting I always unconsciously speak of 'going home' - and I don't think I've ever said that while queuing up for the return flight to ZRH. Don't get me wrong - I like my life here. I've lived in Switzerland longer than I've lived in any other country as an adult, including my own. But I will never be Swiss - and I am well aware that the welcome mat will be withdrawn when OH retires. Our future lies back home - so that's where the heart is.

I prefer to use the term expat rather than an Ausländer, largely because where I live the word is always preceeded by the ajective 'blöde'. But that's largely a Heart Of Darkness thing.

But expat, Ausländer, immigrant, emigrant - does it matter? I yam wot I yam.
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I've left my home country, ergo I have expatriated. For the moment. Not to be confused with the final expatriation where one hands in the blue book.
And I've done both.

I came to work for a Swiss company, and later changed to another Swiss company. The first company knew me from an internship I had done after I finished school, but it took them a couple years to iron out the paperwork to hire me full time (wasn't easy in the early '80s), so I guess that at that point I was an expat.

Then, I got married to a Swiss-Canadian, and settled down, and became an immigrant.

Further on down the road, I became Swiss and later dumped the blue book.

So, I guess I'm a former-expat!

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Re: Meaning of Expat?

Immigrant comes from the Latin (Pig Latin actually, and pretty ugly Pig Latin at that), immigrare, intransitive verb, meaning to move into (a place).

Expat is an artificial word containg the stem ex (meaning out of, as in movement out of) and patria, meaning fatherland.

So neither word is of particularly noble heritage.

So to answer the question whether you are an eggs-put or an immi-grunt, you must decide whether you are moving out of your fatherland (a bit like Hitler invading Poland) or into an unspecified place (ie, clueless).

I personally find that neither of those descriptions really suits me.

I prefer to say I've found a new home. That makes me a transdomiciler.
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Re: Meaning of Expat?

Aww come on, everyone knows that Expats are people who hang around European bars with fancy sounding names like "La Closerie de Lilas" and go to see the bullfights in Pamplona every July
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I am an expat in that I live outside my home country, but it is still my home country. My family, my ties, my roots are all still there. When visiting I always unconsciously speak of 'going home' - and I don't think I've ever said that while queuing up for the return flight to ZRH.
Definitely an expat then (by my definition). I think that, although we were clear from the very start that this was a permanent move, the first time I became aware of the 'home' distinction was around May the second year I was here, having been in our house in Alsace for ~6 months, when I'd been on a business trip to the UK. Which of course was dirty, damp and miserable.

Got off the plane at Basel, 5 mins through customs and picked up by my wife for the 20 minute drive home, then got out of the car... to be welcomed by lovely warm, lavender-scented air and the sound of cicadas the only thing disturbing the peace. "By 'eck it's good to be home" I said. And home it has remained ever since.
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Re: Meaning of Expat?

So in that case, call me gypsy immigrant as I have no intention to go back home and still don't know where will be our next move.
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Re: Meaning of Expat?

I consider myself an expat. For me immigrants are people who are forced to get out of their country for one reason or another.

Nobody forced me to come here. And although i love Geneva its not home and never will be
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I decided to call myself an expat from today on so that I can join exclusive expat club and drinking
I do exactly the reverse, because I don't want anything to do with that club. MrsZappa has endless fun telling French folk that her husband is a "travailleur immigré". Their standard reply is "oh no he's not, he's English"....
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Re: Meaning of Expat?

This is where I've felt out of place on EF this whole time. The Swiss version of expat for me has been just that. Professionals living here with the whole family for a specific period of time.

I however moved here because the Swiss Miss couldn't get a residence visa for Oz. We had to live somewhere to for another 6 months and Zurich seemed more appealing at the time than Christchurch. (our 2 options at the time)

Now in my opinion I'm not an immigrant here because I haven't left my home in search of a new one.

I'm not a typical expat as I am not a working professional and don't have the 2 Porsches and a Rolex...

When the Swiss talk about 'die hüre Usländer' are they refering to me ???

Ahhh s**t now I'm having an identity crisis....
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Expat is what you call yourself on Facebook to make yourself look impressive to your ex school chums back home.

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My mates know me better than that. To them I'm still a bogan, just covered under more clothing...
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"An expatriate (in abbreviated form, expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country and culture other than that of the person's upbringing

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In Switzerland, the term "expat" is not used for all foreigners living and working there, but only to those on "expat" contracts. Typical Swiss expats will be living in housing provided by the employer, with most other expenses such as children's (English) education also paid by the employer. In theory, this is because they are still maintaining a home in their original country. This is in strong contrast with those on "local" contracts who are treated and paid like other locals. The "expats" have a reputation of being flush with money, and raising the prices for others who are not subsidised in this way. Expat contracts are usually time limited, so the expats either move on to another assignment, or are given a local contract without expat subsidies."


I have thought the same as Swiss version "Immigrants is not equal to expats". I am an immigrant but not an expat. But these days I feel that every immigrants like to call themselves expat and be part of exclusive circle. So, I decided to call myself an expat from today on so that I can join exclusive expat club and drinking
Foreign immigrants working in Switzerland are "Gastarbeiter" and what is known in English as "Expat" might be regarded as Edel-Gastarbeiter or Nobel-Gastarbeiter
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