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Re: US vs. CH

In terms of work-life balance...

OH works a 60-80 hour week. Or more.

His annual 2 week vacation usually means working from home most of that time.

He is 'on call' 24/7.

In terms of employment stability: hire and fire, slash and burn.


... and that's in Switzerland.


Seriously - don't count on Swiss norms if your boss isn't Swiss.
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Then who are those guys I come across with shotguns and hunting rifles all the time?

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Some folks call them rednecks. But usually they have antlers mounted on the hood of a beat-up truck so you can easily identify them.
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In terms of work-life balance...

OH works a 60-80 hour week. Or more.

His annual 2 week vacation usually means working from home most of that time.

He is 'on call' 24/7.

In terms of employment stability: hire and fire, slash and burn.


... and that's in Switzerland.


Seriously - don't count on Swiss norms if your boss isn't Swiss.
Those working conditions are illegal, you can't exactly judge working conditions by them.

In relation to the original post, as far as hunting goes, I see stands and hunters all the time in the Zürich Unterland. And as a fisherman, why bother using live bait when you can flyfish.

I grew up in a house in the country in the US, and I love seeing my daughter grow up here. Currently she's in waldspielgruppe learning to love nature, and I'll enroll her in some SAC classes when she's old enough, I think the exposure to nature here is far more encouraged despite there being less of it.

Also, schooling in Alabama....
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OP, ask yourself what matters to you the most at this point in your life - and also as a long-term plan - and choose accordingly. I think both US and CH have lots of pros and cons, I can't really say I dislike or was unhappy in either country.

At this point in my life, I want to:
1. reach the top level at my chosen career within the next few years
2. within a similar timeframe, buy a house with land which is both affordable and modern, and possibly not kms away from civilization
3. deal with a service industry that structures its schedule around the needs of customers, and not vice versa
4. space, and innovative ideas

With a very good (IMO) negotiated benefit/vacation/perks package, I am very happily soon relocating to the US. I chose a city - Washington DC - that has great nature/surrounding areas, history, tons of international people and different cultures to deal with. I am aware that it's very different from where I lived before in the US (several years in Northern and Southern California, and a year in Tennessee), but I figured that after the West Coast and the Deep South I should try the capital!

If you ever move back to the US and want to go deer or turkey hunting, give me a shout!
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Some folks call them rednecks. But usually they have antlers mounted on the hood of a beat-up truck so you can easily identify them.
Reference here was given to the Ticino. Many Ticinesi go "hunting" accross the border, and overthere purchase whatever required and then bring home their "bounty" the same way they went there. Ticino, Valle Mesolcina, Valle Bregaglia and Val Poschiavo are a bit different from the rest of Switzerland, and have their very own rules
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Gee, everyone afraid of their kids getting kidnapped or molested. I am just as afraid of that happening here in CH as I was in the US (let's say it is pretty far down the list of things I fear. Probably right next to being involved in a plane crash).

Where we recently lived in Upstate NY we had great schools (no gun checks! or anything like that), safe neighborhoods and 24 hour shopping

The biggest negative for me living in the states is that people are a bit more paranoid about bad things happening, and letting your kid play outside unattended would probably cause a busy-body neighbor to call you out on it saying you were somehow putting your kid in jeopardy.

The biggest positive being in the US is you can pretty much do what you want when you want. Want to do laundry at 3 am, go ahead. Want to mow your lawn on a Sunday, no problem. People are also a bit more open and having get togethers can be accomplished without using a yearly calendar to pencil it in.

But really, you should go where the job situation is the best, as anyplace can be home. I love living here, and I would love living in the US, both for different reasons!
So you the one which cut the frecken grass saturday at 4pm when I have my BBQ Grrrrrrrrrrrr
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That's not true, as the police would ask you if it's ok to search the vehicle (trunk), unless there is substantial reason for the vehicle to be searched without your consent.
No kiding ha ha The cop will always ,I mean always find a Sustanial reason and don`t forget he is the one with the "Clock"

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Additionally, school-aged kids in Switzerland don't get to experience the after school sports teams, clubs and activities that are the norm in US schools.
So, yes - other posters are correct that there is less vacation time in the US. But, in my experience, chores are so much faster (laundry, dishes, big refrigerators to store groceries) and access to the great outdoors is so much easier that I end up feeling like I have more free time in the US. I am learning to love Switzerland, but for a nature lover the US back country is unbeatable.
Yes, but children in Switzerland are much more mature. For example, you don't have the problems of teenage pregnancies in Switzerland as in America. In addition, children in Switzerland are given apprenticeship at a certain age, hence, the very low youth unemployment in Switzerland. American children are left with the disease of "college education" while going into debt due to student loans, and no jobs to pay the money back. In fact, this is the next big bust to happen in USA, the student loan controversy. Yes, US kids can become cheerleaders, play football after school, etc...but what are they learning? I don't find them any smarter than Swiss children.

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Ok, hunting in switzerland does exist, but it's a total JOKE! It's insanely difficult to get the hunting license (the exam has i believe 1000 questions and you have to go and scout with a game warden for like 3 months! Somebody correct me if i'm wrong), and then they mostly hunt pushing the animals with the dogs, while the hunters wait on the side of the forrest for all the animals to run by and then shoot them. A few days ago a guy shot a deer, but he thought it was a fox up until they found it!! I mean come ON! And also, look at where the shooting houses are located! Right next to streets!! If you'd do something like that in the US you'd get arrested.
And like for example wild boars, they hunt at night with infra red scopes over a food plot... Can you say cheating?!!! Why not use a bazooka? And i've gotten to know some hunters here... I don't want to be one of them!
No really, that's why i aggree, hunting here is non-existing!
It should be difficult to get a hunting license, what's wrong with that? It should be difficult to get a gun period! Get used to the idea of being in a country where "you have to be more responsible." People in Switzerland are not into the brooh-ha-ha like the states, where you say you can do something and people believe it. In Switzerland you have to "prove you can do it." How about your former American vice-president Cheney shooting his friend in the face while hunting...I think he thought he shot a deer or something?
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Also, schooling in Alabama....
Well, one thing i really like, is we actually read books (classics like dracula, lord of the flies, othello, brave new world, etc) and actually talked about the meaning of it.
We read a total of 0 (zero!!) books at all in the mandatory school time here in switzerland.
The 10th grade algebra i had there was the same level I had in BMS (berufsmaturitäts schule, a non mandatory school).
I learnt some spanish as well. We had PE every day, so i lost weight and gained muscles.
All the other classes were at least the level they would have been here in switzerland or higher.
So, i gotta say, i swiss schools are good (whih i really do believe), then that was a pretty kick-but one. But as mentioned, the one i went to was private, but i know that some public ones are just as good.
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In relation to the original post, as far as hunting goes, I see stands and hunters all the time in the Zürich Unterland. And as a fisherman, why bother using live bait when you can flyfish.
Yeah, i know there are hunters, and i gotta tell you, i think they're worse then in the US! Here's a true story: old guy goes for a walk in the woods with his dog. Deer runs streight past him. Split second after he hears a shot... And feels a couple of shotgun pellets penetrate his upper body. Now, the best part of it is that, when asked how it happend, the captain of the hunting party said: i'm really sorry that it happenened, and it shouldn't, but the old guy really could have made himself noticed as to not get shot.
Good grief, the guy was walking on a gravel road!!! So i guess that goes to prove that the hunters here are not better educated.

It's not just about live bait, it's about all the rules. Like no barbs allowed in the hook. Or the fact that, if you catch a carp for example (or any ither disgusting fish) which is legal to keep, you MUST kill it and bring it home with you, no matter if you'll use it or not. And why, so that the poor fish doesn't suffer! Ridiculous.
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I have lived 20 years in America, west coast and deep south. Yes, there are vast expanses of wilderness. But not near cities, where you will likely end up if you want to find a job. Most people live in or near metropolises like New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco Bay area, Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, etc. That is because that is where you will find work. The pristine vast wilderness areas are typically many hours drive from these places. And with typ. 10 days vacation a year, if you try to go to any of those areas around public holidays, count on lots of traffic. Sure, some people are lucky enough to find jobs in small towns near national parks, but they are the minority.
I'm up in Boston and 'many hours drive' simply isn't true. In 1 hour or less, I can go to the beach or to the mountains or, a little longer, get to the Berkshires or upstate NY. And you don't need 'vast' wilderness to experience it or enjoy it. I can walk to 3 nearby protected areas which are rather large and untouched. And there is also a working farm nearby that I can walk to as well for local produce and meat. Granted, I don't live in the inner city, but I live well within route 128 which is considered very urban. There is quite a lot of green space around Boston...you just have to look for it. I also don't think Boston is terribly unusual and many of the west coast cities do even better than we do.

Oh, and because the job will be academic, most positions in academia offer 4 weeks paid holidays to start since the salaries are a bit lower. I remember when I left many moons ago, I had managed to accrue a large amount of holiday time since I hadn't taken it all while I was there. They also tend to offer, at least the private unis, free or reduced tuition for your children, excellent health benefits and just the culture surrounding the university is often like an oasis. I still regret leaving academia way back when.
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It seems to me like there are more things in the US i like. All the nature, friendly people, great weather (especially in the south), freedom, space, can afford a house and some land, etc. but if the work is shitty and if i don't work 60h per week and take the two miserable weeks off i would get, i get fored right away, then all that is worthless because i can't enjoy it.
Switzerland has a lower quality life (at least for me i guess), but more security in the job/working hours, better work-life balance, more vacations, good pay, etc. but what is that worth, if you can only really enjoy life the 4 weeks i'm on vacation?
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It seems to me like there are more things in the US i like. All the nature, friendly people, great weather (especially in the south), freedom, space, can afford a house and some land, etc. but if the work is shitty and if i don't work 60h per week and take the two miserable weeks off i would get, i get fored right away, then all that is worthless because i can't enjoy it.
Switzerland has a lower quality life (at least for me i guess), but more security in the job/working hours, better work-life balance, more vacations, good pay, etc. but what is that worth, if you can only really enjoy life the 4 weeks i'm on vacation?
well, i have to be honest, seeing everyone i know and love in the u.s working hard, not so much vacation and going through a crisis, weather issues etc, they seem much more happy than most of the people i see here (i'm talking swiss and expat- no difference). my family and i are happy here, but i will say i see an awful lot who have a ton to be happy for and just seem miserable. i don't see that so much in the u.s.
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Actually Alabama has great schools, depending on where you go. Madison Schools for instance consistently rank at or near the top.


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Well, one thing i really like, is we actually read books (classics like dracula, lord of the flies, othello, brave new world, etc) and actually talked about the meaning of it.
We read a total of 0 (zero!!) books at all in the mandatory school time here in switzerland.
The 10th grade algebra i had there was the same level I had in BMS (berufsmaturitäts schule, a non mandatory school).
I learnt some spanish as well. We had PE every day, so i lost weight and gained muscles.
All the other classes were at least the level they would have been here in switzerland or higher.
So, i gotta say, i swiss schools are good (whih i really do believe), then that was a pretty kick-but one. But as mentioned, the one i went to was private, but i know that some public ones are just as good.
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Yes, US kids can become cheerleaders, play football after school, etc...but what are they learning? I don't find them any smarter than Swiss children.
They learn things that are harder to quantify than numbers on a test. Examples: teamwork, leadership, the ability to fail and learn from it, negotiation, conflict resolution, and how to form friendships.
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Actually Alabama has great schools, depending on where you go. Madison Schools for instance consistently rank at or near the top.
They're 2nd to last in high school graduation rates, right after Mississippi. (which is incidentally dealing with a mob of a few hundred students at Ole Miss yelling racial slurs who aren't so happy about the election outcome)

Sorry, "education" and "deep south" don't go together too well..
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They learn things that are harder to quantify than numbers on a test. Examples: teamwork, leadership, the ability to fail and learn from it, negotiation, conflict resolution, and how to form friendships.
I see, the mass shooting in Aurora by the University of Colorado Denver graduate was all about his learning of teamwork, leadership, and the like. Or the student body called "Student for Concealed Carry" can now carry firearms on campus. Failure and learning from it does not seem to be an option anymore for US students. It's more like "if I fail the rest of you bastards are coming with me!" Now that's some conflict resolution for ya...We won't mention the other school shootings. However, I do agree with you to the extent that "it used to be about teamwork and leadership. But now it's all about Snooki, tatoos, and reality TV. By the way, those things, leadership etc..., should be learned at home as well. In Switzerland school teachers are not considered "uber babysitters." There are some good US schools left though, but good students are another story...
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They learn things that are harder to quantify than numbers on a test. Examples: teamwork, leadership, the ability to fail and learn from it, negotiation, conflict resolution, and how to form friendships.
Sorry, but no-one I know ever learned any of that at university in the US!

Boy-scouts, perhaps, but not at school.

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Sorry, but no-one I know ever learned any of that at university in the US!

Boy-scouts, perhaps, but not at school.

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You learn this from experience. Sometimes just growing up. University can be a good place for it in some cases.
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