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* Vacation benefits can be poor in the US. Nonetheless, there are companies that offer better benefits. It's employer specific. The US is a different culture by far!

* Fired in the blink of an eye can happen here too. Just not as often and it's probably easier to find the next one given the state of the US economy at the moment. Further, you can quit pretty quick in the US - 2 weeks notice. US is not the best place for security I'm afraid. Canada might be better.

* I think you can still find way more space in America if you move just a bit outside city limits. Switzerland's kinda expensive everywhere.

* Life for an academic is tough when it comes to funding of research and salaries. I think when you factor in living costs, part-time work options etc. it evens out. Can be much, much better in the US if you get the hot projects - they pay really well.
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Thing to remember is that in US you aren't entitled to any vacation at all. This is considered a benefit. Most employers give you 2 weeks. And then after about 5 years working, you will get 3 weeks. But you can have more. It varries. The biggest problem for me here is the fact that taking 2 weeks of vacation in the row is very uncommon. You have to get approved for it by whoever needed. If you have a good boss, shouldn't be a problem but you'd better have a good reason for it. *spoken from experience*

I lived in US for 12 years now and saw someone fired only like 2 times. "At will" is mostly exercised by employees to be able to quit their job faster to start a new one. Generally, you should give your manager 2 weeks’ notice but you don't have to. And they can't do anything about it. I saw this being practiced much more often than being fired at any time.
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Just to add..

Thing to remember is that in US you aren't entitled to any vacation at all. This is considered a benefit.
US is the only country in the western world that doesn't have paid vacation entitlement laws, I don't get it...A healthy, well-rested worker is a productive worker.

Nice to see Montana has gotten rid of that "Employment-at-will" non-sense a few years back.
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And they wonder why employee engagement and productivity is at some of the lowest in the developed world, time the US figured out they are way out of touch
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And they wonder why employee engagement and productivity is at some of the lowest in the developed world, time the US figured out they are way out of touch
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US is the only country in the western world that doesn't have paid vacation entitlement laws, I don't get it...A healthy, well-rested worker is a productive worker.

Nice to see Montana has gotten rid of that "Employment-at-will" non-sense a few years back.
I don't understand the deal about vacation in US either but it is what it is. At the company I work right now, I have 5 weeks of vacation. But had to negotiate it at the time of hire.
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So are you working in the US or CH now?
I know often employers here won't even mind you taking unpaid vacations... Is that possible in the US? A friend of mine told me it doesn't really exist and if you'd ask you might jut get fired or at leat be looked at as a lazy bumm.

Isn't it funny, how people say something, and then you look it ip and there's a statistic saying something totally different?! I've noticed that there are sooo many lies circulating around, and people are to ignorant to find out the true facts!!
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So are you working in the US or CH now?
I know often employers here won't even mind you taking unpaid vacations... Is that possible in the US? A friend of mine told me it doesn't really exist and if you'd ask you might jut get fired or at leat be looked at as a lazy bumm.

Isn't it funny, how people say something, and then you look it ip and there's a statistic saying something totally different?! I've noticed that there are sooo many lies circulating around, and people are to ignorant to find out the true facts!!
I am working in US and soon be getting my transfer to CH. Hopefully.
Yes, you can take an unpaid vacation but from my experience it is not welcomed. Just depends on your particular employer. And in order to take unpaid vacation, it always has to be justified and approved. I've done this before and I was lucky to have a very good boss. My reason for it was traveling to Russia. This was before I had 5 weeks of vacation. So, after I explained, he understood and approved. But in general, if you are salary employee, it was not common.
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Hello!

I am a working academic in the US currently so I can only really comment on that part. For me, I have always held a job while in university. There are a lot of part time jobs, especially in university towns, that are available while you are studying.

If you are looking to do work in the field you are studying, then I would suggest looking for jobs with the university because they work with a lot of students and are very flexible with your school schedule.

If you are open to any type of job, then I would suggest getting a job where you might have some down time. For the first 3 years of my studies I worked at a Smoothie store, and in the colder weather when we were slow I was able to complete a lot of homework while at work (after finishing all my work tasks of course).

I hope that helps!
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I am working in US and soon be getting my transfer to CH. Hopefully.
Yes, you can take an unpaid vacation but from my experience it is not welcomed. Just depends on your particular employer. And in order to take unpaid vacation, it always has to be justified and approved. I've done this before and I was lucky to have a very good boss. My reason for it was traveling to Russia. This was before I had 5 weeks of vacation. So, after I explained, he understood and approved. But in general, if you are salary employee, it was not common.
I hope you don't mind me asking, but what made you want to move here to switzerland?
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I hope you don't mind me asking, but what made you want to move here to switzerland?
I don't mind
I am getting married to a wonderful swiss guy next summer and it is easier for me to move from US to Switzerland than for him to US. Besides, I like Switzerland. And it is much closer for me to Russia.
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Old 15.11.2012, 09:17
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I like Switzerland. And it is much closer for me to Russia.
No, the US is closer to Russia (4km).

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The oldest trick in the world. Post a graph without saying what it is. The graph shows economic output per worker in USD per year. The only reason Norway and Luxembourg are top is because of the oil/finance industry, nothing to do with labour productivity as we understand it. Now a slightly more useful measure would be labor productivity per hour worked. But even that measures the productivity of the economy, not the workforce! (because labour/skills are but one driver of productivity) UAE or Qatar would otherwise be up there with the best if it weren't OECD statistics. It also includes VAT and subsidies, because goods are measured at market price. Another thing to consider is that the US sells a very large amount of goods that were produced elsewhere (Apple or electronic products in general are a good example), but the sale of such products counts as productive labour on the US side. Added value would have to be measured to get a better picture of what work has been done in the country. Additionally the whole state sector, NGOS etc. (which "sell" below production cost) are part of GDP as well and lower the labour productivity.
The statistics are particularly missleading when you think that labour productivity often grows in a recession (more work by fewer people), even if the statistics show otherwise.

In short, the best measure of labour productivity would be to measure added value of the private business sector of the economy without some of the commodity extraction (oil, gas). Pretty difficult to measure, I am not aware of any serious attempt to do so.
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No, the US is closer to Russia (4km).

Tom
To WHAT PART of Russia ? Russia goes across 11 time-zones
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To WHAT PART of Russia?
To the CLOSEST part, obviously!

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I don't mind
I am getting married to a wonderful swiss guy next summer and it is easier for me to move from US to Switzerland than for him to US. Besides, I like Switzerland. And it is much closer for me to Russia.
Congratulations on the wedding! I'm getting married next July.
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Um, I don't follow. What do these two have to do with the topic of the thread?
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To WHAT PART of Russia ? Russia goes across 11 time-zones
Does it matter? When I say "close to Russia", I am naturally referring to the part of Russia where I am from.
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Congratulations on the wedding! I'm getting married next July.
Thank you! Congrats to you to. We are planning July wedding as well.
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