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Hey, wish you good luck, and each to their own. Hope all your dreams come true - where are you headed?

But really, why didn't you join earlier - you could have had lots of help and tips from here, avoided being 'ripped-off' perhaps, to some extent. Could have made friends too, been to events, shared experiences, good and bad.

But you choose to join now- just to pour your guts out - a bit late, really. What is the flipping point

Anyway, tara me duck, and may your God go with you, as Dave Allen used to say.
Too busy sitting at home complaining about the price of a pint in Switzerland to socialise!
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ok so you had a bad experience which I understand

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But in actually fact the Swiss system benefited you and helped you, even providing you a translator.

Terrible system!
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Old 09.11.2012, 17:48
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Sorry it didn't work out for you, wishing you luck wherever you go next.

Personally, I never want to leave.
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Re: Another one bites the dust...

Not relevent where I'm going. No need to invite comparisons from brainwashed Swissophiles..

I work for a Swiss/International company. They're a great company to work for and pay well. My job has been great here, nice Swiss colleagues too - so there's something positive.

Unfortunately they can't seem to hold onto foreigners for very long. 2 years is typical. The cost of living and miserable/depressed spouses being the main two reasons.

This is not an easy place to live...I know many expats who feel the same way. Foreigners are tolerated here but we are not welcome. Couldn't be more different from my experiences in other countries.
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Not relevent where I'm going. No need to invite comparisons from brainwashed Swissophiles..

I work for a Swiss/International company. They're a great company to work for and pay well. My job has been great here, nice Swiss colleagues too - so there's something positive.

Unfortunately they can't seem to hold onto foreigners for very long. 2 years is typical. The cost of living and miserable/depressed spouses being the main two reasons.

This is not an easy place to live...I know many expats who feel the same way. Foreigners are tolerated here but we are not welcome. Couldn't be more different from my experiences in other countries.
So you want to be paid well in a country with a low cost of living?
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Such a shame if your wife has been miserable and depressed. But sadly, again, it is too late. She could have come onto EF and got lots of support, made friends, gone to events - and perhaps enjoyed her stay here a lot more. Too late, too late, a pity.

Where you are headed is indeed irrelevant, but would be interesting. Cheers.
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Old 09.11.2012, 18:10
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Come on- there must have been some foreigners nearby
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Who worries about what anyone else thinks? Anyway, they probably weren't locals. They were probably miserable expats.
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So you want to be paid well in a country with a low cost of living?
gopferdummi, you've made your point, just let the poor dude rant and rave a little. it is hardly a secret that Switzerland can be a harsh mistress, especially for trailing spouses, and that not everybody transitions easily or well. and he (or she) has a very valid point that the salary thing is mostly a myth, at least after you consider the price of housing and just about everything else (and don't even get me started about US expats having to pay US taxes). candidly, reading thread after thread of you berating every person who complains because they're somehow magically getting paid 10x in Switzerland what they would anywhere else in the world is just as tiring as reading all the complaints.

yes, it would always be nice if people found the EF sooner and were able to help as well as to be helped. who knows, perhaps one of the OP's rants will help some other poor soul?
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I am really fed up with reading that there is no freedom in Switzerland. You have no idea what real oppression could be.
I value my freedom and have never felt constricted here.
Anyway, farewell.

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gopferdummi, you've made your point, just let the poor dude rant and rave a little. it is hardly a secret that Switzerland can be a harsh mistress, especially for trailing spouses, and that not everybody transitions easily or well. and he (or she) has a very valid point that the salary thing is mostly a myth, at least after you consider the price of housing and just about everything else (and don't even get me started about US expats having to pay US taxes). candidly, reading thread after thread of you berating every person who complains because they're somehow magically getting paid 10x in Switzerland what they would anywhere else in the world is just as tiring as reading all the complaints.

yes, it would always be nice if people found the EF sooner and were able to help as well as to be helped. who knows, perhaps one of the OP's rants will help some other poor soul?
You're right I'll stop but it does annoy me. People expect to get a Swiss salary, which lets face it 90% of the time is 'inflated' and still pay the same for things as you would in a low cost country.

He also admitted himself he is well paid and the one complaint he added should have actually been a positive thread about the Swiss system because I am not sure there are many countries that would provided a free translator to help an expats case.
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Good bye, good luck.

Next!
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Unfortunately they can't seem to hold onto foreigners for very long. 2 years is typical.
That's a really weird comment. If your employer really is great and is a true multinational, the average time on a job is 18 months-2 years before you are rotated upwards on your career path... certainly that's the case here in Basel, and there's a few big multinationals around here...

Anyway, good luck, hope it works out the way you want it to.
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So, by all means, share with us the sources of your disappointment. It might help us avoid the problems and stay here longer.
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So you want to be paid well in a country with a low cost of living?
Now that's an idea.......
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Sorry to hear of your issues OP.

I see you live in Maennedorf, maybe try and live somewhere a bit more central wherever the winds take you next.

Having had experience of living in Maennedorf, I know it isn't the most fun place and doesn't really have anything going on.
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A really good quote I read somewhere on this forum once about foreigners coming here:

'He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.'

I leave the cage soon. Looking forward to breathing the free air of the outside world again, looking forward to people with personalities, being able to afford a meal out now and again, not worrying about health insurance, and not worrying about scowling disapproving locals. Best of luck to those who stay...I hope you don't feel locked in.
The country you now are heading to must be interesting. It
- has lots of freedom
- people with personalities, not just Goldküste-gnomes
- low prices in the restaurants and shops
- free health service
- not scowling or/and disapproving locals

whatever, as you now lived for two years on the Gold Coast, I might recommend you to take up an assignment in Accra
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Not relevent where I'm going. No need to invite comparisons from brainwashed Swissophiles..

I work for a Swiss/International company. They're a great company to work for and pay well. My job has been great here, nice Swiss colleagues too - so there's something positive.

Unfortunately they can't seem to hold onto foreigners for very long. 2 years is typical. The cost of living and miserable/depressed spouses being the main two reasons.

This is not an easy place to live...I know many expats who feel the same way. Foreigners are tolerated here but we are not welcome. Couldn't be more different from my experiences in other countries.
Normally, experience based only, foreigners normally have 2 year stints, and as you said that Swiss tolerate them, but nothing more, well if you know your new neighbor will only live there for the next two years, do you go way out of your way to be the best of friends with them, when you know they are going to leave anyways?

I know back in the US, when I left, it was like a 90% drop in contact with people back home. When I go there, it's 100% non stop getting drinks, going fishing, BBQ's, parties etc, but once you're gone, you're gone.

Here they have had that experience, and don't have the desire to do it repeatedely with the wide eyed foreigners, not to interested to learn the local language, complain about a pint at the English only speaking pub, and seem to have a good enough time having their friends from their local villages who they know will probably be there for the next 20 years as well.
I like to meet almost anyone and hang out. And personally have had a very different experience, but not totally different from you.

If you met me you would hardly call me brainwashed. I did stay here past 2 years, and it apparently was because I appreciated it. It's too bad you started to only post now. On your way out.
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Such a shame if your wife has been miserable and depressed. But sadly, again, it is too late. She could have come onto EF and got lots of support, made friends, gone to events - and perhaps enjoyed her stay here a lot more. Too late, too late, a pity.
Yes, because the miserable are so tolerated here, no?

Granted, EF made my misery more interesting and bearable, but in the end not even winning the lotto would have made me stay as, in spite of BonBon going on about the swiss salary, the truth is that it's rarely about money (though I will say the OH is getting paid more in the US than he was in ZH now with fewer taxes and a much lower cost of living which is nice).

My only regret is that I didn't have time to be a part of EF before I arrived as I'm quite certain that I would have let my husband go alone. I've lived in fewer countries than the OP, but more of a challenge expat-wise, and I found Switzerland to be similarly formidable. It's an acquired taste - certainly not for everyone.
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Unfortunately that's the great myth of Switzerland. The big salary gets eaten up fast by the orange slip machine. My standard of living here has been much lower than in Canada, Netherlands, Belgium and France.

It was embarrassing to have visitors from other countries - the looks on their faces as their credit cards got raped.

No Sir, it is a miscalculation. Anybody can easily see, even from international statistics, that the by average fairly high salaries are equalled out by the high costs. Switzerland for example, again by statistical average (which is rather unreal and too high), has the highest incomes in Europe. But if costs are deducted, Luxemburg is far far richer. If you further on realize that lots of top-incomes go to a relatively small number of top employees and managers, you realize that the "rich Switzerland" thing is a fairy-tale. And a tale not told by Swiss people but by others in the world.

The credit-cards did NOT get raped, but simply debited in accordance with the published price-lists. I have no regret for some people who arrive with weird expectations without any basis !
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Yes, because the miserable are so tolerated here, no?

Granted, EF made my misery more interesting and bearable, but in the end not even winning the lotto would have made me stay as, in spite of BonBon going on about the swiss salary, the truth is that it's rarely about money (though I will say the OH is getting paid more in the US than he was in ZH now with fewer taxes and a much lower cost of living which is nice).

My only regret is that I didn't have time to be a part of EF before I arrived as I'm quite certain that I would have let my husband go alone. I've lived in fewer countries than the OP, but more of a challenge expat-wise, and I found Switzerland to be similarly formidable. It's an acquired taste - certainly not for everyone.
Absolutely- and the reason why I did advise you, if you were so unhappy- that you should go back home, as life is too short. You did the right thing. However, perhaps the OP's wife, with support and friends, MAY have had a much more comfortable ride. An acquired taste indeed-as most countries are to be honest- and I am sad that this lady never had the opportunity of meeting some EFers and sharing her experiences, which may well have helped. So glad you are enjoying being 'back home' and that everything is just perfect in Boston . Mind you, I know many who have gone 'back home' and didn't find it such a comfortable thing, as they had changed during their stay away, and the 'back home' the place and the people, had changed too. Glad it is working our for you
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