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Given how the thread is going, and how the OP is...gone, this story might fit better:

A man is driving down the road and his car breaks down near a monastery. He goes to the monastery, knocks on the door, and says, "My car broke down. Do you think I could stay the night?"

The monks graciously accept him, feed him dinner, even fix his car. As the man tries to fall asleep, he hears a strange sound. A sound unlike anything he's ever heard before. The Sirens that nearly seduced Odysseus into crashing his ship comes to his mind. He doesn't sleep that night. He tosses and turns trying to figure out what could possibly be making such a seductive sound.

The next morning, he asks the monks what the sound was, but they say, "We can't tell you. You're not a monk." Distraught, the man is forced to leave.

Years later, after never being able to forget that sound, the man goes back to the monastery and pleads for the answer again.

The monks reply, "We can't tell you. You're not a monk."
The man says, "If the only way I can find out what is making that beautiful sound is to become a monk, then please, make me a monk."

The monks reply, "You must travel the earth and tell us how many blades of grass there are and the exact number of grains of sand. When you find these answers, you will have become a monk."

The man sets about his task.

After years of searching he returns as a gray-haired old man and knocks on the door of the monastery. A monk answers. He is taken before a gathering of all the monks.

"In my quest to find what makes that beautiful sound, I traveled the earth and have found what you asked for: By design, the world is in a state of perpetual change. Only God knows what you ask. All a man can know is himself, and only then if he is honest and reflective and willing to strip away self deception."

The monks reply, "Congratulations. You have become a monk. We shall now show you the way to the mystery of the sacred sound."

The monks lead the man to a wooden door, where the head monk says, "The sound is beyond that door."

The monks give him the key, and he opens the door. Behind the wooden door is another door made of stone. The man is given the key to the stone door and he opens it, only to find a door made of ruby. And so it went that he needed keys to doors of emerald, pearl and diamond.

Finally, they come to a door made of solid gold. The sound has become very clear and definite. The monks say, "This is the last key to the last door."

The man is apprehensive to no end. His life's wish is behind that door!
With trembling hands, he unlocks the door, turns the knob, and slowly pushes the door open. Falling to his knees, he is utterly amazed to discover the source of that haunting and seductive sound......

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But, of course, I can't tell you what it is because you're not a monk.
It was the Diesel generator, wasn't it?
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Old 10.11.2012, 01:02
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Not if she shops on Amazon, baby! Oh, how I love that particular loophole and how I shall miss it when it goes. Also, some states dont' have sales tax (hello, NH) and some have random exemptions, e.g. MA doesn't tax clothing purchases. I just bought some stuff online today for xmas gifts, no tax, free shipping, and 60% off. All in the comfort of my own home and delivery in 3 days.
Sales tax is the way to go ! Here in ontario it is 13%.Consumer have a choise to buy the product or not.I is the the biges tax revenue for the governement.It is the faires tax there is .low income folks can be given tax rebats, incom taxes can be lowered .Domestic broducers can be given tax rebat ( let the chinese and canadian pay for}.
Two pepole bying a boat #1 has big money he byes a big boat with lots of comfort , cost $26o`000.- plus 13%tax =$33800.tax-#2m buys a boat worth $40,000.-plus 13%=$5300.-tax So everyone is happy me thinks
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Old 10.11.2012, 01:07
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It was the Diesel generator, wasn't it?
And who is generating diesel ?
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Old 10.11.2012, 01:33
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Yes, I do realize of course that Thailand is not in the center of Europe. I wasn't limiting my analogy to Europe and chose Thailand on a whim because I've always heard that the people there are very friendly.

Anyways, that's not really relevant.

You can try to defend the high prices here in CH all you want, but Switzerland remains one of the most (if not the most) expensive countries in the world. Perhaps you're fortunate enough to make enough money to not really feel that, financially, but not everyone here is so fortunate.

It blows my mind that people here on the EF will go to great lengths to defend (or deny!) the high prices here in Switzerland, when it is almost always listed as either the top or 2nd most expensive country in the world.
Thais in Switzerland indeed are very friendly and so I assume that Thais in Thailand are friendly as well. But the comparison is weird

I do NOt defend the high price level in Switzerland. But the USA is also still one of the most expensive countries in the world. Neither did I nor anybody else defend the price level, BUT you have to deduct some 20% for the currency-rate DISbalance, as the Euro has a merchandise-defacto-value of CHF 1.45 and an exchange-rate of only CHF 1.20 . Another very expensive country, Germany, thanks to the Euro at present is relatively "cheap"

As soon as the Eurozone will have overcome the present crisis, as it will, the pressures from inside Switzerland to join the Euro will come back and will rise and will in the end overcome
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Old 10.11.2012, 04:19
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Sales tax is the way to go ! Here in ontario it is 13%.Consumer have a choise to buy the product or not.I is the the biges tax revenue for the governement.It is the faires tax there is .low income folks can be given tax rebats, incom taxes can be lowered .Domestic broducers can be given tax rebat ( let the chinese and canadian pay for}.
Two pepole bying a boat #1 has big money he byes a big boat with lots of comfort , cost $26o`000.- plus 13%tax =$33800.tax-#2m buys a boat worth $40,000.-plus 13%=$5300.-tax So everyone is happy me thinks
Boy, you Canucks sure speaka de English a bit weird. Perhaps too much poutine this evening? Given the strong Canadian Dollar and the low or non-existant sales taxes in nearby US states, the tour buses of Canadian shoppers to Maine outlet malls and the like must have something to do with saving a buck or three. I remember giggling at a crowd of Canucks shopping at LL Bean a while back who were uncharacteristically giddy over some stuff they bought so cheaply. That and OTC pharmaceuticals apparently bring them in by the busload. I don't know if you can fit boats on the tour buses though...
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Old 10.11.2012, 07:23
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Boy, you Canucks sure speaka de English a bit weird. Perhaps too much poutine this evening? Given the strong Canadian Dollar and the low or non-existant sales taxes in nearby US states, the tour buses of Canadian shoppers to Maine outlet malls and the like must have something to do with saving a buck or three. I remember giggling at a crowd of Canucks shopping at LL Bean a while back who were uncharacteristically giddy over some stuff they bought so cheaply. That and OTC pharmaceuticals apparently bring them in by the busload. I don't know if you can fit boats on the tour buses though...
Canucks with poutine???

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Old 10.11.2012, 08:21
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Re: Another one bites the dust...

Just watched the sun rise over the Säntis, the lowland still shrouded in mist. Off to catch some more mountain trails and breath some free Swiss air. The views are complimentary, the effort to catch them purely optional.

What was this thread about again?
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Sometime I think it's too easy to forget that there are people here who are Swiss or have a Swiss spouse and/or family and it's probably not so
pleasant to hear the same horrible generalizations every single day on this forum..
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Then they shouldn't visit an expat/immigrant forum.
It's actually more interesting than not so pleasant. We're used to our Country and understand it can be very uneasy to come here from a different country where things / people / language / culture are (very) different.
It makes me think about how I would react if I had to do that move to an *unchosen* country.
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Old 10.11.2012, 11:41
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I'm Swiss and if I understand the complaints of the OP, I nevertheless find disapointing that the OP didn't get the information out of all the existing literature and forums that Switzerland is not the country for him and his wife, before moving here.

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....and yes, I find life in my country is very expensive ...

...but isn't it moving here and write pages of complaints about the high prices like moving to Iceland and complain about cold temperatures ?

I wish everybody an affordable week-end in my country
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It's actually more interesting than not so pleasant. We're used to our Country and understand it can be very uneasy to come here from a different country where things / people / language / culture are (very) different.
It makes me think about how I would react if I had to do that move to an *unchosen* country.
Good post - SuisseRomand - and yet, most expats here on the Forum did have a choice, to some extent. I would have never accepted to be 'sent' by my employers somewhere I didn't want to go - against my will. People do have the choice to say 'NO' - no I will pass up on that promotion and the huge salary hike, because I don't think Switzerland is for me/us, because my wife is very unhappy about it, because my children are at the age where switching education systems and language, etc. Most expats here are well educated and nobody could force them. I might well have a negative effect on their career and salary, but they do have that choice. Certainly have the choice to do research, come and have a 'feel' for the country, etc.

Some people are just not meant to travel as they do not have the flexibility of mind and heart to turn the differences into assets, rather than disaster.

And although I'd happily fight for the right of people, including ex-pats, to vent off to their heart's content- I do find it sad and counter-productive when I see some of them spending so much energy on negativity and anger, and so little on finding ways to go forward in a positive light. I felt just the same all those years living in the UK surrounded by expats living there and doing the same constantly btw.

I really do admire people like PopTart for instance. After some time, she said clearly and firmly 'it is not for me, and I am going back' - much more positive than playing the victim forever. As much as I would have loved for her to change her mind, and come to enjoy my country - I admire her determination in finding a positive outcome, of her choosing. Negative people are so sapping of energy, here, there or anywhere. I used to work in a school where all the other senior staff (UK) were constantly moaning about everything, day in, day out - and I used to say 'if you hate it that much, do something about it. Fight for what you think is right, or find another school, or other job, where you would feel more content, more valued, more whatever. But no 'it might be even worse elsewhere', and any excuse in the book. In the end, I gave up my seniority status, and went 'back' to a lower grade job with a much lower salary - as i just couldn't stand their constant moaning and negativity. We all have choices - unless we live in a war or famine torn country. Seems some people do always want their cake and eat it, with brown sugar or marmite on top - very few of us can ever have that. C'est la vie ...Half glass full, or half glass empty - negative people are usually negative, wherever they are - but having to face 'differences' can exacerbate these features.

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Do people really spend that much energy on anger and negativity, though?

EF is hardly representative of the bulk of most people's lives, even those with high post counts. Offline I reckon some of the loudest complainers are probably quite cheerful, fun people to be around.

Judging how angry or negative someone is from what they write on the internet is as pointless as judging how greedy someone is from watching them at a boiled egg eating contest.
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[QUOTE]Some people are just not meant to travel as they do not have the flexibility of mind and heart to turn the differences into assets, rather than disaster.
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... and it's so much easier to make Switzerland and the Swiss responsible for their misery here ... yes, that's what hurts me swiss

Thanks for your excellent post Odile
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Boy, you Canucks sure speaka de English a bit weird. Perhaps too much poutine this evening? Given the strong Canadian Dollar and the low or non-existant sales taxes in nearby US states, the tour buses of Canadian shoppers to Maine outlet malls and the like must have something to do with saving a buck or three. I remember giggling at a crowd of Canucks shopping at LL Bean a while back who were uncharacteristically giddy over some stuff they bought so cheaply. That and OTC pharmaceuticals apparently bring them in by the busload. I don't know if you can fit boats on the tour buses though...
Intresting My point was ,what is the best taxes Us Canucks are not brocke yetand no the boat does not fit in the tour bus ,every Canuck knows that
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Canucks with poutine???

Don`t worry NIL she is from Boston ,to much rain down her nose
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Just watched the sun rise over the Säntis, the lowland still shrouded in mist. Off to catch some more mountain trails and breath some free Swiss air.
No sun here today, so we're off to sunny (I hope) Italy for a long weekend in the midst of a vineyard (Soave)!

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Do people really spend that much energy on anger and negativity, though?

EF is hardly representative of the bulk of most people's lives, even those with high post counts. Offline I reckon some of the loudest complainers are probably quite cheerful, fun people to be around.

Judging how angry or negative someone is from what they write on the internet is as pointless as judging how greedy someone is from watching them at a boiled egg eating contest.
it's a nice alternative to those trolling for thanks and rep
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Intresting My point was ,what is the best taxes Us Canucks are not brocke yetand no the boat does not fit in the tour bus ,every Canuck knows that
I know, but I gathered you were making a bit of moral hazard painting Canadians as happy tax payers when no matter the country and no matter the tax, where there's a loophole, folks will find a way around it. Lots of folks go 30+ minutes north to buy tax-free and cheaper booze as you can save a lot of money if you're buying in bulk. Sure, a sales tax is one of the more fair taxes, particularly since in the US it stays in the state, but 5-13% added to your purchases can really add up over time.
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I know, but I gathered you were making a bit of moral hazard painting Canadians as happy tax payers when no matter the country and no matter the tax, where there's a loophole, folks will find a way around it. Lots of folks go 30+ minutes north to buy tax-free and cheaper booze as you can save a lot of money if you're buying in bulk. Sure, a sales tax is one of the more fair taxes, particularly since in the US it stays in the state, but 5-13% added to your purchases can really add up over time.
Mind boggling! happy tax payers I pay my taxes,with out complain, because its a neessary thing

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it's a nice alternative to those trolling for thanks and rep
I was enjoying the changing scenery of this thread, and now you have to get personal?
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