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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

Special custom's/immigration officers work on all the cross border trains- sometimes in uniform, sometimes in plain clothes. There is a lot of 'intelligence information' passed on between police, customs and immigration. Often if they do checks at stations is because they have been tipped about possible problems, because of a raid or burglary somewhere, etc. Sometimes they just decide that that day they will check documents at the SBB station, or set up a road-block somewhere to check documents and goods.
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Old 11.11.2012, 20:57
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but rather a remark on how the Swiss police form the profiles of those to be checked, and from what I've seen race does appear to be a significant factor.
Much the same across the border in Germany

Google up Derege Wevelsiep for more stories about this engineer at Siemens AG.

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20121108-46055.html

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20121030-45859.html
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As re the police being here to protect us - I, and many others on this forum have had their wallets / bags stolen - esp at ZRH - it would be interesting to get some concrete figures about the property recovered / thieves caught.

In my case I realised within a mnute that my wallet had been flicked, and was at the first floor ploice station of ZRH within 5 minutes. The officer on duty asked me to fill a form, and after one month 'the file was closed'.
I'm trying not to divert this thread too much from the original topic, but I have to ask what more did you expect? You noticed after one minute and then got to the police post after 5 minutes. That's 6 minutes for the thief to pass on, or make their escape. There is not a hope in the world that bag will be recovered contents intact, if at all. Make the report, and call your insurance. Job done. You won't get an "APB" on a stolen bag

Meanwhile the police are having to deal with HansPeter Badass who's taken a dislike to his wife, or the bar that he's in and is smashing up the place, or his wife. That's police protection.

Basically you're responsible for your own stuff, so take proper precautions when you're in a crowded and targeted place like the airport or main train station. Hard I know, but the truth.
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I can well imagine the pressures of police work. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to get some concrete facts of stolen property recovered / perpetrators caught / sentenced.

As re being careful - I've had my apartment door broken in while away on vacation - so I need to be careful everywhere in CH - just like back home!!

Please do not take this as rant against CH - I love the place - which is why I am here. However, my 'love' is not blind - I do see the flaws - I just wish that they would be addressed by the powers that be - with the same zeal perhaps as collecting traffic fines.
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I can well imagine the pressures of police work. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to get some concrete facts of stolen property recovered / perpetrators caught / sentenced.

As re being careful - I've had my apartment door broken in while away on vacation - so I need to be careful everywhere in CH - just like back home!!

Please do not take this as rant against CH - I love the place - which is why I am here. However, my 'love' is not blind - I do see the flaws - I just wish that they would be addressed by the powers that be - with the same zeal perhaps as collecting traffic fines.
You can find reports about thieves caught in the WEBsite of the various Cantonal police forces. Whenever such thieves are caught, also a big part of the bounty is recovered. You only need a few weeks to compile all the data. Enjoy the time. And come back onto EF when you have all the results
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

could not find any data. did come across this press release though :
http://www.kapo.zh.ch/internet/siche...1/121115s.html

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Zurich 1: Two arrested pickpocket inside

11.11.2012 - Press release

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The Zurich cantonal police investigators have observed on Saturday afternoon (11/10/2012) in Zurich two women at a pickpocket. The thieves were arrested.

The investigators observed two young women boarding a tram on the Bahnhofstrasse. One of the two purposely caused a traffic jam. The others crowded behind a 74-year-old woman who wanted to get on the tram. Distracted by the crowd noticed the pensioner does not like the wallet from her purse was stolen. Immediately after the crime, the two thieves are arrested.

Those arrested are two Romanian-speaking women aged 18 and 23 years from Bosnia and Herzegovina. In the survey, the two police about the theft. As the investigations showed, they are the same day, without having to have the necessary identity papers, arrived from France. The detainees are fed following the police administration assistant prosecutor.

Zurich Cantonal Police
Media service / Phone 044 247 36 36
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Good morning everyone
I am new here on English forum and in Switzerland.
The other day I was in a train station walking to gleins 2 in Ruchterswil. As I was walking up the stars from the tunnel to the gleins I felt a slight tap on my hip by my belt. I was thinking, who could that be? I turn around and I see 2 big guys in civilian clothing and they show an ID similar to my auslander ausweis, pink and regular size where it was They told me they are polizei and asked me to walk back down to the bottom of the stairs in the tunnel. I told them that I only speak English and they told me that it's a polize control and they want to see a passport. I gave them my auslander ausweis and while one was watching me like I was a criminal, the other was calling to check me in the system. After which I heard him say in German, no open warrants. He handed back my ID and I ran to catch my train.

Is this something that is common in Switzerland and what is the purpose of these checks? Are they mandatory?
To me, that appears rather a strange way for a police officer to attract the attention of someone they want to speak with.

I would expect that the normal approach would be to come alongside or in fornt of you and to seak to you, with no touching. If any touch was needed from behind to get immediate attention, I would expect that to be a tap on the shoulder.

What else was written on that I.D pink card? Have you checked to see if that is the type of ID carried by Swiss police. Are you sure they weren't a couple of pickpocketers. How secluded normally, is the area that they took you back to. Did you have to open your wallet to produce the document they asked to see? Why did they want you to go back to that area, rather then just stop where you were at the time? Are you sure that you didn't have a lucky escape from a couple of scam artists?
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

My feelings exactly, on reading the OP.
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So in other words the police in the states are useless, how do they tell a normal person from a criminal. Any police should be able to ask any person when there is a need to find known criminals inthe area. The suggestion of not being allowed to check someone going about their business is crazy so I only need to say I dont feel like answering you and I havent done anything for a policeman to be unable to challenge me - how stupid is that?
Technically, no, they can't. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes for more clarification. Arizona recently passed some legislation that I can't remember what the disposition of it at the moment is, but it caused quite a bit of angst in the US since it would give police the right to ask anyone to produce passport or proof of citizenship at any time. It varies from state to state and, of course, given the post-9/11 world we live in, if a cop asks you to produce ID, whether or not it's legal, it's in your best interest to do so and take it up later with the DA if you question the authority.

I've lived in Europe for nearly 20 years and haven't ever been asked to produce papers but understand it's always a possibility. It's hard for whites in the US to understand what it feels like to be on the other side of the coin when it comes to certain norms for those who aren't white. Consider it a right of passage of being an outsider.
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

Poptart, you saved me from posting the same information. However, I would clarify that what is legal or intended by the US laws, as written, is not how it is interpreted by default by the police, prosecutors and courts. Unfortunately, it usually costs a great deal of time and money to force the latter crowd to conform to the former.

There is no direct form of censure that can be invoked against an illegally-behaving police officer. The only two options available in most cases are to file a local complaint, under which he will be judged by his fellow (unionized) police officers, or to file a civil rights lawsuit. If the complainant is deceased by action of the officer, these venues are mostly closed. As a collective the voters can be persuaded to remove a county sheriff or mayor (who typically appoints chief of police in a city). But it is easy to see why the police are so abusive in the US, because they are allowed to act as a union and because feedback mechanisms are basically non-existent for the average person.
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Actually i have never had a problem with the toilet flushing or sunday working here. I always flush our toilet whenever i feel like it and i often mow the grass on sunday and wven have the neighbours help me with the sunday work. Cant understand why there is sucha concern with EF posters that think this is such an issue

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ehhhm, YES, you HAVE TO DO SO, as it otherwise might be perceived as an attempt at gross nonsense
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This remark in itself is highly racist assuming only non whites look criminal, didnt you realise some of the biggest criminals are actually white!
I am non white and I laughed out loud when I read that question, because it's actually the Swiss police who often make that assumption, so non-whites tend to get controlled quite frequently in that manner, as I have often been!
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I am non white and I laughed out loud when I read that question, because it's actually the Swiss police who often make that assumption, so non-whites tend to get controlled quite frequently in that manner, as I have often been!
Not only "non-whites" but also Whites from around the Mediterranean, as very many of the "corps" are Xenophobes. And they tend to control whomever differs from the majority crowd in one way or the other
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Not only "non-whites" but also Whites from around the Mediterranean, as very many of the "corps" are Xenophobes. And they tend to control whomever differs from the majority crowd in one way or the other
I'm from the middle east but I tend to look mediterranean. When I was in Switzerland last, my old software company was right off Langstrasse. I was grateful to not speak enough German to know what people were randomly saying to me on the street, but it was rather annoying to have the police random want to "check" my id and look at my backpack. They would skim these O'Reilly books as if they were in Greek ... gah!

It is quite insulting for a software engineer to be mistaken (no matter how remotely they may suspect it) for an illegal prostitute by the police.

It took me a while to realise that by just having dark hair and eyes, I was being typecast as a "likely prostitute" by not just the police but also the dirty old men in the neighbourhood.
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

My contribution to this thread:

You're a racist.

No, you're a racist.

You're a racist because you started it and you're white.

No, you're the racist because you don't think like me.

You're a racist because you don't eat the same breakfast cereal as me.

No, you're a racist cos you're a cop and that's a part of the selection process

Yeah right ......
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You're a racist because you don't eat the same breakfast cereal as me.
Ewww, breakfast cereal?
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

I think it would help if you wear someone else's shoes, so to speak. Imagine yourself as a person who does not get checked and is worried about a criminal on the loose. How would you feel if you see a person being 'kontrolled' by Polizei?

I'm not white, and I wouldn't really mind if I was the one being 'kontrolled', because I know that I did not do anything wrong, so if the Swiss do live up to their reputation for efficiency, they would know very quickly that I (my record) am clean. I would also feel a little better knowing that the Polizei are doing their job.
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

I have a fairly large black sheep sticker on the side of my ZH plate car. I get pulled over every time I cross the border, thoroughly checked and given the full Swiss treatment. Costs time but puts my mind at ease, nothing to contemplate about: they check the right guy and I know why I am being stopped.
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I'm from the middle east but I tend to look mediterranean. When I was in Switzerland last, my old software company was right off Langstrasse. I was grateful to not speak enough German to know what people were randomly saying to me on the street, but it was rather annoying to have the police random want to "check" my id and look at my backpack. They would skim these O'Reilly books as if they were in Greek ... gah!

It is quite insulting for a software engineer to be mistaken (no matter how remotely they may suspect it) for an illegal prostitute by the police.

It took me a while to realise that by just having dark hair and eyes, I was being typecast as a "likely prostitute" by not just the police but also the dirty old men in the neighbourhood.
I believe you that you were frequently controlled, but just as a bit out of the crowd. The prostitutes are not from the Med/ME but from Eastern Europe, so that you do NOT meet that profile. The part about their suspicion you wanted to work illegally unfortunately however applies. And their suspiction about potential illegal immigrants. A problem for the cops is that people including the churches protect refugees without permit against the "Tschugger" as best as ever possible.
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