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View Poll Results: Have you ever paid someone to do something that you would have done yourself ?
No, never. If there's owt worth doing I do it myself ! 6 35.29%
Yes, under duress.I don't have the facilities/materials here. 6 35.29%
No, because I'm too scared of the price to get it done. 1 5.88%
Yes, always. I didn't get where I am today... 4 23.53%
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Old 28.09.2006, 17:45
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Can't get the staff these days? (DIY survey)

Have you ever paid someone to do something that would (before coming to Switzerland) otherwise have done yourself ? I'm thinking about the tendency for the swiss to "get a professional in" to change their light fitting or change their car oil. DIY seems almost non existent here...
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Old 28.09.2006, 17:49
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

Well I can only speak for myself that I've done plenty of DIY. A trip to shops such as Jumbo or the Coop hardware and garden store will show plenty of people (even Swiss!) buying tools, paint, etc.

I think DIY is very much alive and well in Switzerland for the simply reason that the vast majority of people simply can't afford to have others do the work for them. Also look at the sucess of stores like Ikea...
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

I see much evidence of hobby craft, model building, painting and the like, but not much of the practical essentials. Not much decorating goes on I suspect because of the renting culture in any case. Do you know anyone that has tiled a bathroom themselves here ?

I am toying with the idea of buying an Old Timer (old car) and working on it down at the DIY garage in Oerlikon. Its not got off the blocks yet figuratively speaking, and the swissies think I'm mad to envisage spending my own time doing this for fun...

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I think DIY is very much alive and well in Switzerland for the simply reason that the vast majority of people simply can't afford to have others do the work for them. Also look at the sucess of stores like Ikea...
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

I'm assuming cleaners and gardeners count?

Affluency is a wonderful thing
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

Is "Affluency" one of George Bush's morphication analyzation of "Affluence" ?

Indeed cleaners and gardeners certainly do count. If someone had told me a few years ago that soon all my friends would employ cleaners, I would have laughed my socks off.

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Old 28.09.2006, 18:02
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

I've hired a cleaner for the last 8 years. Housework was the only thing me & the other half argued about when we moved in together. CHF25 an hour is a small price to pay for domestic bliss
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

Is your wife now happy with 25chf you are paying her ?

I don't think I'll take the plunge; quite apart from not likeing other people going in my apartment when I am not there, the idea of having to clean-up-for-the-cleaner somewhat negates the benefit.

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I've hired a cleaner for the last 8 years. Housework was the only thing me & the other half argued about when we moved in together. CHF25 an hour is a small price to pay for domestic bliss
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

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Is your wife now happy with 25chf you are paying her ?
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My other half is a 6'4" Irish guy, don't think he would appreciate being called the wife

Once you get used to & trust a cleaner you don't even need to tidy up for them coming (not that we are that messy). The benifits definatly outweigh any other issues.
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

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I am toying with the idea of buying an Old Timer (old car) and working on it down at the DIY garage in Oerlikon.
You called it an "Old Timer". Go directly to the "Have you been here too long?" thread


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I am toying with the idea of buying an Old Timer (old car) and working on it down at the DIY garage in Oerlikon.
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Sorry for the thread drift, but can you tell me more about this DIY garage place... I like the sound of that!

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Old 28.09.2006, 18:18
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

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Is "Affluency" one of George Bush's morphication analyzation of "Affluence" ?
Quite common to hear complete bastardisation of words in Australian "English" I'm afraid. People who play scrabble there must have some wicked arguments. Same in the US I suppose.

But to get back on topic - you expanded the scope to "would you tile your own bathroom?" Well, no. That would be beyond my limit of DIY. Call me a renter, but wouldn't "tile your own bathroom" also go beyong the limits of most people in other countries? I mean if you get it wrong the results aren't funny...

Would I be a whimp for not wanting to lay the foundations of a house?
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

I have yet to use it, but it located next to Oerlikon station where the rail bridge crosses the road. It has "DIY garage " written on it in big letters. Its next door to that pseudo-English pub which may come in useful. Apprently the have a fully equipped workshop with pit and you rent it by the hour. Couldnt find a link unfortunately.

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Sorry for the thread drift, but can you tell me more about this DIY garage place... I like the sound of that!

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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

I've done it. Even so I used it as an extreme example. The education system in this country puts such a large faith in apprenticeships and quals and guilds that the locals assume that a professional must do a better job than they ever could.

There doesnt seem to be the satisfaction expressed here of building anything yourself.

IKEA is popular as its dirt cheap and flat-pack, but its hardly challenging DIY, although even they offer assembly services for the completely inept.

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But to get back on topic - you expanded the scope to "would you tile your own bathroom?" Well, no. That would be beyond my limit of DIY. Call me a renter, but wouldn't "tile your own bathroom"
Would I be a whimp for not wanting to lay the foundations of a house?
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

I love DIY; I will be bringing a flymo and some funky wallplaster stuff from England as well as a bundle of other things.

The Swiss DIY store (home improvement for the Septics) isn't quite upto Homebase and B&Q
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Re: Can't get the staff these days ?

Having been brought up by parents (engineer Dad inparticular) who will fix anything even if not broke, and never throw anything away (you never know when you might need spare parts ) I have also learnt to be somewhat self-reliant in this sense. I'll always have a stab (e.g. like my broken TV, bike maintenance, light fittings, clothing alterations etc.) unless it's something more involved or way too dangerous or has to be spot-on (it pained me to take my bridesmaid dress in somewhere to be altered at great expense, but I just didn't trust myself not to make a pigs ear of it!).

I think I'd draw the line though at big DIY jobs and get the pros in (if I had my own place to DIY on).

(Thankfully I didn't inherit the hoarding spare parts trait!! <phew>)

When it comes to cleaners, etc, I feel slightly ashamed employing someone to clean up my mess after me, so currently don't. However, I also see the value of more time to yourself for a relatively small monetary outlay. I would have no qualms about it if it was the source of arguments, as in Lou's case, or if I had kids to clean up after too...
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Re: Can't get the staff these days? (DIY survey)

I do as much as I can myself. I change the oil and brake pads on my car. I install lamps and things when needed, but swiss household wiring is a bit "dodgy" in my opinion. Tools and stuff are not expensive here.
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Re: Can't get the staff these days? (DIY survey)

One of the frustrations I've had renovating my house is that many suppliers do not sell to the public, only to a professional. You have to hire someone (plumber, tiler, kitchen installer) to do work you would otherwise do yourself if you want a certain item.

Frustrating, and expensive.

And, don't know if this is true everywhere, but there are building code restrictions to doing one's own work in my town. My husband could easily re-wire much of the house, but as a DIYer he couldn't get the necessary certificate from the Gemeinde (local town govt) - without which we could find ourselves in trouble when it comes time to sell.

I'm starting to learn the system though... if you must hire a someone to do the work, many German firms are happy to hop over the border - and charge you a third less.
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Re: Can't get the staff these days? (DIY survey)

1. I dont have a car.. But in my car owning days, done my oil changes, brakepads etc... etc...
2. I do a lot more cooking here than I ever did in my life... Not just because its costly here.... which I could afford touchwood, but for the price, its not worth it... So I mite be better off cooking my mums recipes..
3. On a brighter side, the transport here is pretty good compared to the other countries
4. But i have to say, i love it so far here....Its a nice different experience from the countries i have been outside europe...

Just on the lighter note....

I found out why Swiss are very good in planning...

It takes for ever to get done something here, so you spend a heck of a time planning it

No offence Swiss people in the forum...
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Re: Can't get the staff these days? (DIY survey)

I read a good book once... It analysed how various people had managed to make thier millions. One of the best lessons I learnt from that book is that you don't need to know everything, you need to know where to get the information from. I apply that to many things in life, why do spend hours doing something I'm not good at ie cleaning, or accounting, when an expert can handle it leaving you to get on with the stuff you're good at
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Re: Can't get the staff these days? (DIY survey)

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swiss household wiring is a bit "dodgy" in my opinion.
The whole system of their electrics has scared me away for good. At "home", I easily changed light fixtures, installed ceiling fans and the like. Here - I'm almost afraid to change a light bulb. Well, actually, I was afraid - we had a lamp that came off of the ceiling mount when we changed the bulb. It has since been replaced with something far more stable.

We're fortunate enough to have a registered Swiss electrician as a friend, so he has been generous enough to come and install lamps, ceiling fans, etc. in exchange for dinner and a beer or two. I can't imagine having to pay Swiss prices to get that done
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