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But, what actually IS "united" ? Just the monarchies of England, Wales and Scotland ?
England, Wales and Scotland are countries.
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England, Wales and Scotland are countries.

THIS here,

  • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
  • 24-10-1945
ukun.fco.gov.uk/en/
885 Second Avenue New York, N.Y. 10017
(212) 745-9200



which is the official entry of the U.N.O. NY says otherwise


source; http://www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml#u




as does the official list of the E.U.


http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/index_en.htm

The lists of the Council of Europe, ICAO, CEPT etc look the same.



As Swiss Cantons have MORE rights in Switzerland than Wales in the U.K., it would be 26 "countries" in the U.N., but then of course, other such "countries" like the 50 USA states would follow.

AND you did NOT answer my question. WHAT is Northern Ireland ?
Is it a principality inside the United Kingdom ?
Is it a kind of "British Territory outside Britain" ?
Or is it a kind of "British Overseas Territory ?
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Re: Do we emphasize nationality more nowadays?

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What countries make up the UK?
The name refers to the union of what were once four separate nations: England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland (though most of Ireland is now independent. Only Northern Ireland is part of the UK now).
The United Kingdom is made up of:
England, Scotland and Wales together form Great Britain.
Great Britain and Northern Ireland together form the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" (UK)"


From here.


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THIS here,

  • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
  • 24-10-1945
ukun.fco.gov.uk/en/
885 Second Avenue New York, N.Y. 10017
(212) 745-9200



which is the official entry of the U.N.O. NY says otherwise


source; http://www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml#u




as does the official list of the E.U.


http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/index_en.htm

The lists of the Council of Europe, ICAO, CEPT etc look the same.



As Swiss Cantons have MORE rights in Switzerland than Wales in the U.K., it would be 26 "countries" in the U.N., but then of course, other such "countries" like the 50 USA states would follow.

AND you did NOT answer my question. WHAT is Northern Ireland ?
Is it a principality inside the United Kingdom ?
Is it a kind of "British Territory outside Britain" ?
Or is it a kind of "British Overseas Territory ?
This is exactly my point. I was born there, lived there most of my life and it's still confusing. I don't see where there is says that England, Scotland, Wales, NI are *not* countries? Maybe I missed it.

Also, Wales, Scotland, NI are more and more growing apart from England. Having different laws and rules. Free prescriptions, age of marriage without parental consent etc.
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What countries make up the UK?
The name refers to the union of what were once four separate nations: England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland (though most of Ireland is now independent. Only Northern Ireland is part of the UK now).
The United Kingdom is made up of:
England, Scotland and Wales together form Great Britain.
Great Britain and Northern Ireland together form the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" (UK)"


From here.


Tom
Countries like Schaffhausen, Zürich, Luzern, Bern and Geneva were independent until the time of the French Revolution and just linked in a kind of "Commonwealth". Had their own armies, their own currencies, their own customs authorities, their own weights and measurements. There was no common ruler of the members of the "union". True, the Ticino was a tri-partite colony of Uri, Schwyz and Unterwalden. What now is Aargau was in its Western part Bernese and in its Eastern part Zürich-ruled. The cantons of Switzerland were united by force by France (Napoleon) in the years of the Napoleonic wars, and finally in the Congress in Solothurn in 1848 when the Confederation was established in its present sense.

Many Capitals have the same names as their Cantons as it was some cities who gradually conquered what became their Cantons. Noteable exceptions are Bellinzona, Chur, Frauenfeld, Sion.
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Old 20.11.2012, 11:43
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Re: Do we emphasize nationality more nowadays?

Ok, since you asked:

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Re: Do we emphasize nationality more nowadays?

I am forced to give my background story each time people ask me where I'm from.

I'm half swiss and filipino but have an american accent because I went to american schools in South Korea, Brazil, Colombia, and Ivory Coast.

What I enjoyed the most was meeting people from all walks of life and picked up some accents. Check out this video on youtube I uploaded last year.

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Oh? So Indians are a different species?
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Re: Do we emphasize nationality more nowadays?

i don't know what my nationality is because i was born in croatia,grew up at serbia,spent several years at swiss and holland.. so,i don't really know does birth place (on papier wroten nationality) should say what my nationality is or what do i feel like?
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Re: Do we emphasize nationality more nowadays?

I recently started researching my family tree. I grew up in Lancashire and my parents came from Liverpool. Going back a few generations most of them came from Ireland during the potato famine - the rest came from Scotland and the Isle of Man. No doubt they got treated like second class citizens by locals who hated Paddys etc etc.

The only people in the world to be pure bred are European royal families and they're hardly prime specimens of the human species.

When you realise such things it makes you understand exactly how hateful parties like SVP, UKIP, LPF etc really are.

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Not something that disturbs me personally, since I'm always quite interested in different cultures/nationalities, but does anyone else feel that there seems to be a lot of emphasis on it nowadays (or maybe it's just me noticing it more).

At work when people give speeches or presentations, they seem to invoke their cultural background quite often.

Again, I don't think it's a bad thing as such, but I do wonder why we do it so much. I've noticed it happening with myself as well, where sometimes I may be asked a question about myself but I somehow end up bringing my nationality into the answer.

Any thoughts on this?
It might be a symptom of the economy. People tend to grow more nationalistic when economic times get tough. Of course, there's nothing wrong with enjoying and promoting the positive attributes of your cultural background. Every culture has something positive to contribute - just as long as we remember that a person's worth is judged by their actions and choices, not their genetics.
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Re: Do we emphasize nationality more nowadays?

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- nationalism in "the developing world" virtually exploded in the 1960ies
I didn't realise it was that long ago. But then I've been paying attention for only the past 10 years or so, after I started working.

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- in the UAE they try to better integrate the young generation of
Emirati, in order to keep the Indian-Pakistani dominance under
control. I well remember visits with the rental car at
petrol-stations in Dubai where you had the feeling to be in a
suburb of an Indian metropolis. I loved it, the efficiency,
the friendly service, the ambiance, BUT all this hardly to the liking
of the Emirati elite !
I understand where the "elite" are coming from although I never really sympathize with "elites". Nonetheless, this is a bit of their own doing: they've been pretty slack in acquiring indigenous capability. The oil has helped a lot and they've been very comfortable - I've heard several well-to-do Emiratis would rather not work (not sure how to true that is). As for control issues, expats can't become citizen and can't own land, so it's not that much of an issue. Plus Indians are really not the rebellious type when they live abroad. In fact, I think they're so dependent that they often receive the short-end of the stick if they're not careful.

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- Greece, Portugal, Spain ? In Greece, the heavily nationalist party lost the last elections. And in Portugal and Spain, no rise of nationalism is on the record. Quite to the contrary, the nationalist right-wing governement in Spain will lose the next elections
- you mention Switzerland. Where the SVP in the past 12 months started to stagnate, and even receded, Where the SVP in the past 12 months lost elections one by one. And where the SVP over the past 20 years lost most federal public votes. Switzerland joined the Schengen-Dublin-agreements on the basis of two federal public votes.
I read the Golden Dawn is doing well for itself in Greece's current situation. I know the SVP has lost some foothold in terms in 2011 compared to 2007 of votes but I think the right wing sentiment has not. Unfortunately.
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While your analysis in regard to India apparently is precise, it in regard to the rest of the world is not
It's as precise as it can be for a layman who isn't totally into this sort of thing. But yeah, it's become stronger in the late 1990's. And it's bullshit, the minorities they target amongst Christians are about 2-3% of the population except in Kerala. The Muslims are bigger chunk maybe 15% but really, they weren't giving anybody trouble - the right wing guys just wanted power. This was a card and they played it, and quite well too. The only Muslim related hassle is in Kashmir and connected with the Indo-Pak conflict. After the right wing guys emerged, the problems have exacerbated.
Okay, it's just what I seem to have noticed across Europe: the sentiment is drifting towards right-wing little by little. The economy makes it easier.
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You've obviously never watched The Sopranos...
That is the point , I think. How fundamentally Italian are the colorful characters described in The Sopranos anyway? It seems to me that they represents an entertaining/cool and somewhat distorted caricature of what many Americans think Italians are.
I have interacted with quite many Italian-Americans when I lived in the US; all of them struck me as much more American than Italian; actually, most didn't even speak the language (Italian that is), but they all showed genuine pride in their roots.
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Wouldn't you rather have no nationality and just be yourself?
You make a good point!

For me, nationality has never been an important nor a very relevant defining criterion. Having lived in Europe, in Asia, in Africa, as well as in Latin- and North America, I have always found that what binds us is much more than what separates us. People everywhere basically share the same dreams and fears. The place where we are born does not define us; it may make our life easier or more difficult, but that is about it. So, why be so proud (often arrogant) about one's nationality, overall considering that it is basically "accidental" .

For those who wonder, I am an "accidental Swiss"... which says nothing about me other than "lucky starting blocks"
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i don't know what my nationality is because i was born in croatia,grew up at serbia,spent several years at swiss and holland.. so,i don't really know does birth place (on papier wroten nationality) should say what my nationality is or what do i feel like?
Consult your passport or identity-card which shows the nationality clearly. In Continental Europe (Code Napoleon) the place of birth does NOT matter
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Which may be places you've never been in your life, and don't even speak the language of!

(which is the case with my wife, who is a citizen of two towns in two German-speaking cantons)

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The difference is that Chicago isn't a country whereas France is.
And I always thought uhh never mind
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You only can be of one ,me thinks. Ask wolly
you can be citizen of at least TWO Swiss cantons

and Poland had, even in communist times, a secretary-general of the CP who was also a citizen of the USA
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Re: Do we emphasize nationality more nowadays?

I like that one about "no nationality and just being oneself". I really think social acceptance vicarious pleasure that should never be at one's core.
Not easy though.
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