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4 cables in electric plug??

Helping a friend move from Basel to Germany and am changing wierd Swiss 5-pin electric plug on Miele washing machine... It has 4 cables inside ??? Anybody know how I connect this to a three pin plug?
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Re: 4 cables in electric plug??

You don't.

It's three phase, and needs a four (3P + N) or five (3P + N + PG) pin plug.

Tom

P.S. If it's four wires in a 5 pin plug, then it's most likely 3P + PG, and no N, i.e. wired in a delta rather than wye configuration.

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You don't.

It's three phase, and needs a four (3P + N) or five (3P + N + PG) pin plug.

Tom
Correct.

As you need to ask, you might need an electrician for this job........
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Re: 4 cables in electric plug??

And if you haven't got 3-phase power available in the new place, you'll need a new washing machine.
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And if you haven't got 3-phase power available in the new place, you'll need a new washing machine.
Who doesn't have three phase power in Europe?

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Who doesn't have three phase power in Europe?

Tom
You know what they mean....

Not many places have three phase sockets already connected and if there isn't three phase supply behind an existing socket, it will maybe to cheaper to replace the washing machine
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Re: 4 cables in electric plug??

Most new washing machines will run on either voltage, some older ones also. Agree you need a electrician to hook it up. We switched ours to the other voltage with the new washer.
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You don't.

It's three phase, and needs a four (3P + N) or five (3P + N + PG) pin plug.

Tom

P.S. If it's four wires in a 5 pin plug, then it's most likely 3P + PG, and no N, i.e. wired in a delta rather than wye configuration.
And if the op drying to wire it him self his (N+U+T+S)
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You don't.

It's three phase, and needs a four (3P + N) or five (3P + N + PG) pin plug.

Tom

P.S. If it's four wires in a 5 pin plug, then it's most likely 3P + PG, and no N, i.e. wired in a delta rather than wye configuration.
The cheaper range of Miele washers have sometimes 2P + N + PG.
The 2 cables they use are 2 x Black, 1 x Blue, 1 x Green-Yellow. Or 1 x Black, 1 x Red, 1 x Blue, 1 x Green-Yellow. Both on 10 amp.

In Germany and France the same washers have only 1P + N + PG cable, but 16 or 20 amp.
Tom I think for the Swiss market they split the load.

Salut Zmma
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Re: 4 cables in electric plug??

so i am sc***ed! but many thanks for the explanations!
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Re: 4 cables in electric plug??

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The cheaper range of Miele washers have sometimes 2P + N + PG.
The 2 cables they use are 2 x Black, 1 x Blue, 1 x Green-Yellow. Or 1 x Black, 1 x Red, 1 x Blue, 1 x Green-Yellow. Both on 10 amp.

In Germany and France the same washers have only 1P + N + PG cable, but 16 or 20 amp.
Tom I think for the Swiss market they split the load.

Salut Zmma
Try to get hold of the installation manual, if you don't already have it, as this should explain how to reconfigure such devices to use a variety of different connection schemes. Our Miele washer is similar. The service manual and schematic diagrams (including connection diagrams) are located in a docket inside the machine, so you have to take the cover off to find them.

Our NEFF induction hob was also the same; came with a 5-core cable attached to it; with a fair list of connection schemes for each different country.

But if you are not comfortable with doing this, then you should get an electrician.
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so i am sc***ed! but many thanks for the explanations!

If you do'nt understand the cable coulors and what I wrote above, then its better to leave it to a profi.

Salut Zmma
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Re: 4 cables in electric plug??

Most Miele machines should be configurable as single phase or 3-phase machines. As a single phase machine the programmes will take longer to run, because there is less power for the water heater.
Unless you know what you're doing (and you should be able to see what's going on on the rating plate behind the machine), you are probably better off asking an electrician to do this for you.
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