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Re: How efficient are Swiss people in everyday life?

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I'm highly efficient, but crap at non-work timekeeping. I multi-task constantly. I'm also not Swiss. HTH.
I do not think efficiency and strict time management in non-work stuff is a recipe for fun life. The opposite, in fact. Congratulations!

Life is organic. Except honeymoon packing, lol. It seems that somebody else booked and paid it for them, probably. Efficient parents. "Have you got your passport" is a question everybody asks me when they see me pack or leave, neighbors, friends, etc. I guess you don't knock on newlyweds' doors checking on their packing list, hahahah. I understand forgotten toothbrush but passport? Maybe they had only travelled in Valais or Luzern....or something. Or with folks.
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I understand forgotten toothbrush but passport? Maybe they had only travelled in Valais or Luzern....or something. Or with folks.
I take it that they didn't forget their passports though. They may well have earlier travelled to many places in Europe with their IDs. It just struck me as naive (and rather sweet really) that they didn't realise that officials in more exotic destinations would want to see a 'travel document' as opposed to 'this is who I am'
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'this is who I am'
Love it!

(poetically impractically)

Do you think they will bring their passports next travels?
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Re: How efficient are Swiss people in everyday life?

Next time they'll maybe be more like me. Pass. Photocopy of Pass. List of important numbers. Rega card. Krankenkasse card. Emergency notice, original, signed by doctor in case I need an anaesthetic. Coded list of user names and passwords. Various medicines which I never use. List of all stopping off points. Names of family and friends I might want to contact plus addresses, email addresses, phone numbers, mobile numers. Magnifying glass and torch. Sewing kit. Screwdriver. And I have a list on the computer and mobile with the lists on...
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Next time they'll maybe be more like me. Pass. Photocopy of Pass. List of important numbers. Rega card. Krankenkasse card. Emergency notice, original, signed by doctor in case I need an anaesthetic. Coded list of user names and passwords. Various medicines which I never use. List of all stopping off points. Names of family and friends I might want to contact plus addresses, email addresses, phone numbers, mobile numers. Magnifying glass and torch. Sewing kit. Screwdriver. And I have a list on the computer and mobile with the lists on...
Hahahah....you made my day. I am glad I am not the only maniac when predicting improbable scenarios when packing and getting ready to travel (including unplanned stops to paint the views in aquarelles on DIY postcards to send to loved ones, hahahah, and a DIY cross-stitch badge kit to give badges to locals, lol).

The Swiss part in me is actually letting go of all that and travelling light.

Passport. Toothbrush. Fun times.

(and some hand sanitizer...)

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You're all amateurs when i compare to a former collegue.

He even photocopied the red cover of his Swiss passport and thr copy hadto be dxacg same place on the paper as the other pages as of course, there was no question it could not be recto verso, i kid you not.

(He was very Swis....)
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The couple in question are far too young to have memories that long back. Anyway, that was using a Passport not just an ID?
Some young people have to learn by doing... Dutch teen ends up in wrong Sydney.
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I find the use of nonsensical corporate buzzwords to be perhaps the singularly most inefficient invention of the latter half of the 20th Century.


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That's a good point, I think we should touch base on this to see how we can forward with the principle.


You'll love this article...


http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/201...-of-euphemisms
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Hello,

I heard and red many times that all system in Switzerland as a country is very efficient, but how efficient are Swiss people in everyday life? Are they different, say, than British (or others) in terms of efficiency?

To clarify my question, here are some examples:

1. For example, if you appointed a meeting with Swiss natives they always in time?

2. Do they keep their promises?

3. If someone said that they call at 10.00 do the actually call at 10.00? How punctual they are?

4. Do they follow all rules?

I know that there are many different personalities, but what is the general picture and your perception?

Thank you very much

In truth I am wondering why these questions, have you just arrived in Switzerland?


Re: 1, and in social circumstances, there is the famous "quart d'heure Vaudois", where Vaudois people can arrive up to 15 minutes late and it is still acceptable and not rude, you will often here someone jokingly say "J'ai pris mon quart d'heure Vaudois!" - I took my Vaudois 15 minutes!


For professional meeting times, if you are late it is viewed as rude and disrespectful by the Swiss-Swiss, as well as foreigners who now live and work in this country and who have accepted and fallen in line with Swiss work ethic.
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Love it!

(poetically impractically)

Do you think they will bring their passports next travels?
As you "do not think efficiency and strict time management in non-work stuff is a recipe for fun life. The opposite, in fact."
No, they won't?

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Next time they'll maybe be more like me. Pass. Photocopy of Pass. List of important numbers. Rega card. Krankenkasse card. Emergency notice, original, signed by doctor in case I need an anaesthetic. Coded list of user names and passwords. Various medicines which I never use. List of all stopping off points. Names of family and friends I might want to contact plus addresses, email addresses, phone numbers, mobile numers. Magnifying glass and torch. Sewing kit. Screwdriver. And I have a list on the computer and mobile with the lists on...
Geee, where's the fun in that?
All I seeriously care for when leaving the house is ticket, passport, credit-card. These three things get you 'round the world.
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For professional meeting times, if you are late it is viewed as rude and disrespectful by the Swiss-Swiss, as well as foreigners who now live and work in this country and who have accepted and fallen in line with Swiss work ethic.
I am definitely not Swiss nor "swissified" but at work I do consider this a waste of time so yes, I am always on time for a meeting. Often my meetings are scheduled back-to-back and yes, it annoys me if that gets disrupted.

Nothing to do with Switzerland but only with time management
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In truth I am wondering why these questions, have you just arrived in Switzerland?
Plus posted in 2012, so he might not answer. I think you have not noticed, somebody necroposted today.

Btw, the 15min of vaudois is usually used to just rip on somebody being late, but it is not so widely accepted. You will have folks waiting for you 5' max. People usually call ahead to apologize. People would consider somebody 15' late and not give a call quite rude, indeed. If work meetings start 2min late (or finish), you get a sincere apology.

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Plus posted in 2012, so he might not answer. I think you have not noticed, somebody necroposted today.

Btw, the 15min of vaudois is usually used to just rip on somebody being late, but it is not so widely accepted. You will have folks waiting for you 5' max, they usually call ahead to apologize. People would consider somebody 15' late and not give a call quite rude, indeed. If work meetings start 2min late (or finish), you get a sincere apology.


Read my lips, I said the 15 minutes is in social circles and not business, and in my experience in these relaxed situations it is widely used as either a fun way of apologising for being late, or as you say a way of poking fun if you are the one waiting.
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I once arranged for an acquaintance to come for a chat at 9 a.m. I was surprised not to see her. Later she told me, slightly irritated , that she had arrived just before 8.55 a.m but as I didn't answer the doorbell she went straight back home.
And she simply couldn't understand my protestation that five minutes early is not punctual. It is early.
Now that is Swiss Swiss Swiss
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I once arranged for an acquaintance to come for a chat at 9 a.m. I was surprised not to see her. Later she told me, slightly irritated , that she had arrived just before 8.55 a.m but as I didn't answer the doorbell she went straight back home.
And she simply couldn't understand my protestation that five minutes early is not punctual. It is early.
Now that is Swiss Swiss Swiss
LOL, your attitude seems to be contaigeous. The other day an African friend called me 10 minutes before the agreed time to ask whether it was okay to come a bit earlier. He was sitting on our visitors-parkingspace when phoning
The only thing that bugged me was that he didn't know me better
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Btw, the 15min of vaudois is usually used to just rip on somebody being late, but it is not so widely accepted.
LOL, it took me a few minutes to get this- as it truly gets lost in translation.

The 'quart d'heure Vaudois' (eg the Vaud quarter of an hour) - used to be widely accepted in Romandie as totally fine as long as not exceeded. In fact, it was expected to be 10 to 15 minutes late. Whereas it would be a total 'no-no' in the German part. This quote from 'Le Temps' magazine explains this in French- and that nowadays the Romands (French speakers) have aligned with the German speakers on time keeping.

«Je n’aime pas généraliser, mais je dois avouer qu’il leur arrive plus fréquemment que les autres d’arriver en retard», glisse l’organisateur de Mister Suisse. De quoi renforcer le cliché du quart d’heure (de retard, donc) vaudois contrastant avec une exactitude toute militaire outre-Sarine.

La réalité est plus nuancée; en 2008, un sondage du magazine Coopération relevait que 34% des Alémaniques étaient systématiquement sensibles à la ponctualité, plus, certes, que les 22% de Romands. Mais au final, seuls 6% de l’ensemble des personnes interrogées avouaient ne pas respecter les heures données. Et un rapide tour d’horizon confirme une évolution des mentalités.
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I once arranged for an acquaintance to come for a chat at 9 a.m. I was surprised not to see her. Later she told me, slightly irritated , that she had arrived just before 8.55 a.m but as I didn't answer the doorbell she went straight back home.
And she simply couldn't understand my protestation that five minutes early is not punctual. It is early.
Now that is Swiss Swiss Swiss
I'd suggest rude, arguably autistic and selfish (wot no SMS?).

Not Swiss
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I'd suggest rude, arguably autistic and selfish (wot no SMS?).

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What's rude? Being 5 minutes early or not opening the door because it's 5 minutes before the agreed time?
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HA! Music Chick, now how are you gonna do that here?
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The only place in my social circles, where 15' or more would be excusable without any sms or a phonecall, are big dinners we throw as neighbors. Or beach parties. But in my 12 Swiss years, we just avoid being late, out of courtesy. It does not strike me as particularly Swiss, maybe I am just used to it from being on time for classes and concerts, etc.
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