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I have been in Geneva for a while now. First just accompanying my partner who works here and recently I wanted to start my bachelors degree here. I have just been told by UNIGE and UNIL that because of my high school diploma and the lack of points I cannot enrol into uni here. I am devastated but I cant believe that there is nothing I can do to improve myself and add some skills and qualifications to my CV.

Does anyone have any advice on what possibilities there are here for young high school graduates? Any education or courses not associated with universities?

P.S. I am already taking French classes.
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Old 19.12.2012, 16:26
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

try getting your qualifications assessed at the World Education Service and use that as weight to get entry. Try Open University in the UK, that way you can learn from home here in CH, and build enough qualifications to get entry here, if needed.

http://www.wes.org/

http://www.open.ac.uk/
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

The canton of Geneva does a scheme where adults can obtain their Maturité Gymnasiale for free - http://www.ge.ch/po/rivaz/welcome.asp

This will the allow you to enroll at the University of Geneva. Otherwise as already mentioned you can study with the Open University (I plan to do that next year)

Although if you are not fluent in French, especially written french, I wouldn't advise studying in Geneva.
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

You might want to check the requirements for an "Haute Ecole".

They are not quite universities. But you might find something that you are interested in studying. I haven't looked myself into what you need to get in. Perhaps their entrance requirements are lower. I don't know. Have a look.

http://www.hesge.ch/
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

Have a look here: http://www.orientation.ch/dyn/1046.aspx

It is a website that lists all the professions in Switzerland, and the training routes into those professions (including the Haute Ecoles courses miniMia mentions)

If you have high school education, another possibility might be a Certificat Fédéral de Capacité, a professional qualification which provides specific training for a wide range of careers (but is less academic than either university or a haute école). This qualification can either be studied in full-time education, or in a part apprenticeship, part studying in school model. Average training time is (I think) 3 years. You need to have finished obligatory education, and in some cases may need to sit an entrance exam. I don't know what the language requirements are for non-native speakers... but I have B2 level French and am on a back-to-work scheme and have been told that a CFC would be open to me, whereas for university you need a much higher level of French.

Some CFCs can open the way to further study in the future... up to university level.

Perhaps that would be a good way to get some skills and experience and also a starting point for further studies in the future?

The apprenticeships start in August each year but many places are being advertised now, you can find them on http://www.jobup.ch/en/ for example. You can find information on how to go about finding an apprenticeship here.
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

You could start university in your home country; and then try to transfer after 1st year to Uni Geneva.

What are the "points" that you need from your high school, in order to enroll at the University?
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

(this post is edited, wrong impression on nationailty) So you're from a non-EU country, your country hasn't gotten into the diploma equivalence scheme yet? You're going to need an L permit for studying here, can you arrange that? The best course once you've got enough French skills is as previously mentioned the evening class to the Maturité Fédérale (also known as Baccaularéat) if you want to make it to Uni here. It does help if you have some idea what profession you want to get into later, then you can stream yourself properly for the evening course (ie, more languages, or more science subjects, Switzerland has high school education setup as streams depending on interest / academic capacity).

It's a bit of a pain and I understand your frustration but hang in there, you won't be denied a further education if you're willing.

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Re: Disillusioned and lost

If you don't make it as far as the uni in Geneva and don't mind commuting, there's one over the border at Annecy - they may have different requirements. On the subject of French, I know a lot of the courses at Universitat Bern were conducted in English, if that's any help.
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

Knowing which country you graduated from high school would be a huge help. If it's the US, you won't enter university directly anywhere in Europe, it will have to be through SAT or advanced placement tests (I don't remember which one you have over there, but you'll know what I mean). Local language is always necessary for local degrees even if English become a huge part of the curriculum at some point. The question is whether you need as much as C1 certificate or not.
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

I have an International Baccalaureate high school diploma. The diploma itself is accepted but 2 (out of 6) subjects I took are not accepted in Switzerland. Therefore my point total is way behind the 32 required by UNIGE and UNIL. I was told by both universities that there is nothing I can do to earn the missing points.

I'm stuck in a vicious circle here because without applying for a student visa I have no base for applying for a residence and work permit, without work I cant pay for continuing french lessons, without french I wouldnt be able to work even if I had a work permit, etc.

I am staying here for a very limited amount of time and I'm basically looking for anything which would allow me to get my foot in the door and have some chance of staying.
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

where are you from? have you considered Webster University? - http://www.webster.ch/
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where are you from? have you considered Webster University? - http://www.webster.ch/

Yes, I was thinking the same, there is always Webster, they should accept you, although it might not be cheap.
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Yes, I was thinking the same, there is always Webster, they should accept you, although it might not be cheap.
Unfortunately Webster is not within by budget. Even if I got a scolarship it would still be too expencive.
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Re: Disillusioned and lost

International bacccalaureate with two subjects that are not recognized: you have no chance here, sorry. Retake two other subjects to replace the ones that are not recognized but it means that you have to pay registration to a school and not only for these two subjects.
I suspect that you don't even have the possibility to enter apprenticeschip, or with restrictions. Even vocational, finding an employer for it without fluent French won't be easy.
You are very young, take the time to prepare for the jump from your home country (assuming it's not at war).
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International bacccalaureate with two subjects that are not recognized: you have no chance here, sorry. Retake two other subjects to replace the ones that are not recognized but it means that you have to pay registration to a school and not only for these two subjects.
I suspect that you don't even have the possibility to enter apprenticeschip, or with restrictions. Even vocational, finding an employer for it without fluent French won't be easy.
You are very young, take the time to prepare for the jump from your home country (assuming it's not at war).
I know I have no chance. That is why I am looking for an alternative...
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I know I have no chance. That is why I am looking for an alternative...
Read your own message carefully, you've answered your own question. If you took a literature class, you surely know what an antithesis is. You're in denial, but you did answer to yourself. Things don't go the way you want but you still want them to. Well, keep wanting...
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Read your own message carefully, you've answered your own question. You're in denial, but you did answer to yourself. Things don't go the way you want but you still want them to. Well, keep wanting...
Was that meanness necessary?

I am under impression that Klinka is trying to understand what are all the possibilities, and likelihoods of getting to the University. It is really positive that a young person wants to get Uni education; and that she is exploring all the options possible, all with her own effort (no rich mum & dad).

Therefore, you should encourage her, or help, not discourage...
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Read your own message carefully, you've answered your own question. If you took a literature class, you surely know what an antithesis is. You're in denial, but you did answer to yourself. Things don't go the way you want but you still want them to. Well, keep wanting...
I was obviously refering to your comment about me not having a chance in the universities here. And if you read my original thread you'll see I'm not looking for a way to get into university despite knowing I have no chance, I am looking for an ALTERNATIVE.
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Therefore, you should encourage her, or help, not discourage...
Why would I lie to her? There is no reason for your mean allegations.
I give up, call immigration office for further reality check.
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Was that meanness necessary?

I am under impression that Klinka is trying to understand what are all the possibilities, and likelihoods of getting to the University. It is really positive that a young person wants to get Uni education; and that she is exploring all the options possible, all with her own effort (no rich mum & dad).

Therefore, you should encourage her, or help, not discourage...
The amount of times I've come across similar snide comments on this forum... There are some miserable people around.

Anyway, thanx for your support. I think I'll be looking into the possibility of doing my bachelors with open university like some have suggested. I'll still have to try and get a student job here to fund my french learning.
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