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Re: great britan to swiss

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If you have no job and you do not have enough money to carry you over until you find a job, then please stay where you are. I have no problem with my social security contributions going some way to assist people who already live here, have themselves made contributions to our social security system and who have fallen on hard times. I do have a problem with subsidising economic refugees.
I agree and thanked your post, but please use don't terms like refugees until you actually appreciate what a refugee has gone through.

I blame the media for trivializing such terms.

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Old 26.12.2012, 16:24
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Re: great britan to swiss

I'm sure most of us know the real definition of the word refugee, even if we are fortunate enough to have avoided becoming one - but what about the people who are, in large numbers, trying to obtain permission to come to Switzerland to live, to find work, to have a higher standard of living? Do they, too, know the correct meaning or do some of them 'adapt' it a little to fit their case?

I venture a guess that not all people trying to come to Switzerland are completely honest about their reasons for leaving their home country.

I'm not talking about the OP here but the Swiss authorities (not just EFers) have become a little more sceptical about the histories of some would-be immigrants/refugees.
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Old 26.12.2012, 17:36
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Re: great britan to swiss

I appreciate your point, but an "economic refugee" is an accepted term for someone who is leaving somewhere for another in search of better prospects:

"A person who leaves their home country for a new country, in search of better job prospects and higher living standards. Economic refugees see little opportunity in their own countries to escape poverty and are willing to start over in a new country, for the chance at a better life. An example of an economic refugee would be a computer programmer who makes next to nothing in his or her home country and emigrates, in order to collect a substantially higher wage."

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/...#ixzz2GAlMW2pO


The UNHCR also says: "Migrants, especially economic migrants, choose to move in order to improve the future prospects of themselves and their families."

So, in this context, I would hazard to say that I am not too far off the truth.



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I agree and thanked your post, but please use don't terms like refugees until you actually appreciate what a refugee has gone through.

I blame the media for trivializing such terms.

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Old 26.12.2012, 17:37
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I agree and thanked your post, but please use don't terms like refugees until you actually appreciate what a refugee has gone through.

I blame the media for trivializing such terms.

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He referred to an economic refugee which is someone totally different:

"An individual who, solely for economic purposes, seeks refugee status in another country. Also referred to as economic migrants. Typically, an economic refugee will do this in order to earn a higher rate of pay for a job in their new country."

Like Snoopy I also have a problem with subsidising some of this type of refugee, especially when their real purpose is just to claim benefits they are not really entitled to because they haven't yet worked in their new country. Most economic refugees do come to work and they work very hard in their jobs, but we all know that there are a few who have no intention of doing so.
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Re: great britan to swiss

Sorry guys but for me the OP sounds like a spambot urinetaker. There is one that sounds just like it at the moment haunting the LET forum.
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Sorry guys but for me the OP sounds like a spambot urinetaker. There is one that sounds just like it at the moment haunting the LET forum.

Thought so too Slammer, on both accounts!
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I'm sure most of us know the real definition of the word refugee, even if we are fortunate enough to have avoided becoming one - but what about the people who are, in large numbers, trying to obtain permission to come to Switzerland to live, to find work, to have a higher standard of living? Do they, too, know the correct meaning or do some of them 'adapt' it a little to fit their case?

I venture a guess that not all people trying to come to Switzerland are completely honest about their reasons for leaving their home country.

I'm not talking about the OP here but the Swiss authorities (not just EFers) have become a little more sceptical about the histories of some would-be immigrants/refugees.
Regardless of their reasons, they word is immigrant, not refugee.

The reason I posted, is because I constantly see the misuse of specific terms to draw attention or pull emotional strings, basically hyperbole.
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Re: great britan to swiss

your direct experience of refugees is ......... ?
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Re: great britan to swiss

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...i live in england last eight years.

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Is it difficult to find a job with english language?
YES, especially with SUCH English.
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