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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

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It was surprising to read on a EF post that the tram from Geneva into adjoining Annemasse in France stops at the border --- requiring a tram change --- due to bad feeling between the people of Geneva and of France.
Just curious, what is the source of this animus? Why are they not bonded by a common language?
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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

It's not just the Swiss - everyone hates the French.

Anyway, trams are operated locally, and not nationally like the trains.

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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

I use to live in Geneva and I think a lot of Swiss people think that people from France are stealing their job and well profiting of the system. Working in Switzerland earning more money and living in France where everything is cheaper.....

Of course it not always true....lot of people in Geneva shops in France and lot of people from France do the work Swiss can not do.

Also their are very small difference in the way people speak (like the numbers).
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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

Probably very practical question of finance. On the Genevan side the tram is financed by the Genevan authorities, on the French side by the French.
As everything that happens in France is decided by Paris, it isn't surprising that trying to build a trans-border tram line is complicated.
The love-hate relationship with frontaliers probably doesn't help matters either.
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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

What outsiders do not appreciate, and I certainly didn't until I came here, is that Geneva is a prosperous canton (with lots of well-paid employment) that sticks into a poor, largely rural, bit of France.

But to getting to Annemasse doesn't require a tram change: you change from a tram to a bus at the border! But that is about to be righted: Plans to extend trams to Annemasse. Tho' I can't find anything on the TPG website about this.

Then of course there is the zoomy new CEVA, which in the next five years will connect the centre of Geneva with Annemasse. Most of the line will be underground.
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Old 10.01.2013, 12:50
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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

The bus service in Annemasse is very infrequent - every half hour as I remember and getting to the town centre is almost as fast on foot due to the winding route the bus takes.
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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

The fact Genevans don't like French people is quite old.
Back in 1602 they tried to take over own dear town.

Seriously, how did they dare to do that ?

In fact they have always tried to take over own dear town, even now they are trying, sending people to work here undercover.....

but we send people in their territory, to buy their land.

I think we will win, we have already created the *Grand Genève*


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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

The Basel tram system is currently being extended into Germany (line 8 to Weil-am-Rhein) and it already goes in and out of France (line 10 stops at Leymen in the Alsace). It shows that this sort of cooperation is possible if people put their minds to it.
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Probably very practical question of finance. On the Genevan side the tram is financed by the Genevan authorities, on the French side by the French.
I didn't think that was the case. Nearly all the trans-frontial public transport is run by TPG, which in turn in paid and run by Geneva. Geneva has been trying for years to get the French to pay at least their fair share of the public transport network into France, but there is always an issue. Ditto for the upcoming CEVA network, which I understand the majority is being financed on the swiss side, and the financing always is a problematic issue with the French. Thus, a lot of the trans-frontier tensions are caused by financial fighting.
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What outsiders do not appreciate, and I certainly didn't until I came here, is that Geneva is a prosperous canton (with lots of well-paid employment) that sticks into a poor, largely rural, bit of France.
That's not the way the French see the region. Annecy is about the most expensive town of its size in France, Chamonix is the most prosperous ski resort (summer as good as winter). The region has plenty of jobs in machining, indeed many companies are limited by lack of suitable candidates. If you think this region is a poor and rural part of France, you should do some touring: try the regions of Centre, Nord, Basse Normandie, to name three.
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indeed many companies are limited by lack of suitable candidates.
Because people would much prefer to work in Geneva....
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Because people would much prefer to work in Geneva....
Troll .... we're talking about experts in machining here. Not much call for them in Geneva.
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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

There are good jobs in machining for highly qualified staff in the bassin lémanique. Certainly within commuting distance for someone who will earn considerably more by crossing the border. OK, maybe not in Geneva itself, but within easy reach.

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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

Poor ol' Duke Charles Emanuel of Savoy, 410 years later he's still making the news.

Soup's on

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The fact Genevans don't like French people is quite old.
Back in 1602 they tried to take over own dear town.

Seriously, how did they dare to do that ?

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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

Don't forget that many French people shop in Geneva for luxury goods, the sales tax is much lower and the choice is much greater.
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The fact Genevans don't like French people is quite old.
Back in 1602 they tried to take over own dear town.

Seriously, how did they dare to do that ?

In fact they have always tried to take over own dear town, even now they are trying, sending people to work here undercover.....

but we send people in their territory, to buy their land.

I think we will win, we have already created the *Grand Genève*


Whenever of course, it was NOT "France" but French speaking Kingdom of Savoy, the later Kingdom of Savoy-Piemonte-Sardinia, the later Kingdom of Italy, the later Repubblica Italiana tricks of history, but do not forget that the "operational CEO" of the "Risorgimento", Count Cavour, had French as mothertongue


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The Basel tram system is currently being extended into Germany (line 8 to Weil-am-Rhein) and it already goes in and out of France (line 10 stops at Leymen in the Alsace). It shows that this sort of cooperation is possible if people put their minds to it.
From what I can hear and read, people in Basel put a far more determined support into Public Transport than people in Geneva. This may be just an impression, but a heavy impression it is

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There are good jobs in machining for highly qualified staff in the bassin lémanique. Certainly within commuting distance for someone who will earn considerably more by crossing the border. OK, maybe not in Geneva itself, but within easy reach.
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True to some extent, but not the reason. The prosperous regions west and south of Geneva might attract people from less prosperous regions, but there simply may not be enough people with the required education around. Central Europe increasingly becomes one marketplace, which means that you have to attract people from other parts of the world if you need specialists of a particular field. Add to this that also in France, the population is declining, I mean the population of "natives"

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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

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From what I can hear and read, people in Basel put a far more determined support into Public Transport than people in Geneva. This may be just an impression, but a heavy impression it is
That project had its own troubles and bickering from both sides on who pays what, and the project is delayed by more than a few years, I remeber reading in the news.
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Re: What is the issue between the residents of Geneva and the residents of France?

Annemasse and the surrounding villages are a dump full of social problems, a bit like what the 93 department is to Paris. This adds on top to the fact that frontaliers (easily recognizable by their 74 and 01 car number plates) are considered 2nd, if not 3rd-class category by the swiss...
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That's not the way the French see the region. Annecy is about the most expensive town of its size in France, Chamonix is the most prosperous ski resort (summer as good as winter). The region has plenty of jobs in machining, indeed many companies are limited by lack of suitable candidates. If you think this region is a poor and rural part of France, you should do some touring: try the regions of Centre, Nord, Basse Normandie, to name three.
I agree about those two (Chamonix and Annecy), but they are shining beacons on the southern edge of an otherwise dismal area (leaving aside the ski resorts). How about Annemasse as mentioned by sedebu, Bellegarde, and, shudders, Oyonnax and Saint Claude. I'm sure that the wealth of the area between the Saleve and the Jura is almost all down to its proximity to Geneva.

You are probably right about there being worse places in France. But that's not very reassuring!
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That project had its own troubles and bickering from both sides on who pays what, and the project is delayed by more than a few years, I remeber reading in the news.
This may be, but Basel (city+cantons) and the Canton of Zürich often simply take the bulk of the costs to bring matters forward. It is comparable to the "loan" now given by the Confederation to Italy. Nobody in that case expects the money really back in any foreseeable future. It is money invested into the future of public transport HERE.

In other words, the U.N.-city Geneva bickering around with French villages like Annemasse is rather ridiculous and not what I expect from a metropolis, particularily one which loves to describe itself as "the international city"
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