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Old 19.03.2013, 15:53
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What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

Having a terrible time getting help from the police concerning dog owners letting their pets run free and molest my older dog.

First incident the dog was loose, I tried to pass with my dog leashed, owner standing there daring me to make his dog move, I stamped my foot on the sidewalk to move the dog and the owner got in my face with fist raised threatening to break my face. Called police, no response, torment from this guy went on for months, he'd see me and start threatening to beat my face in, curses, following me etc. Finally had to file an Official complaint with the canton, he was called into the police station to explain himself and finally after a year has calmed down and leaves me alone.

Second incident with a drug addict public assistance type who let his boxer run free, again I shooed the dog away and was met by his fist raised also, police came and met with me , then with him and came back to inform me that his dog was young and "just wanted to play", he lives in the building next and would leave the dog often for a day or more alone and the dog howled and cried nonstop, notified the police, they paid him a visit, he said he was drug addicted he was sorry and that was the end (in between this and the next incident the animal control came and removed the dog from him due to no microchip and no license and no homeowners insurance for the dog, he blames me for this even though the canton police have many complaints from others due to his lack of controlling the animal) very next time he saw me he followed me into my building screaming and spit in my face, called police again, they talked to him, he admitted incident and police came back, told me this and suggested "neighborhood mediator".

Third incident yesterday with another drug addict type, had the dog on a leash until he got right in front of me and released it. Dog came charging right at mine, I yelled Call your dog! he stood there as if to say eff you, when the dog came less than an arms length from my dog I opened fire with a can of pepper spray which sent him into a frenzy screaming he was going to murder me, I was a dead woman the next time he saw me, I should leave the country or he would kill me.

My dog is almost 12, a Beauceron and is always at my side leashed. She clearly shows no interest in interacting with these other dogs and could not protect herself if a dog got overly aggressive. To make matters worse she was not "fixed" when I got her and at 9 years old the vet said it was a risk to do it then so every six months she comes in heat. She will not be with me much longer and I want to give her a stress free calm place to spend her last days without this aggravation from irresponsible pet owners. The police have nothing but excuses for the ones who ignore the leash laws and let their dogs roam free and each time I call them I end up feeling like I have done something wrong when I am obeying the laws while others disregard them not to mention a lack of common courtesy they display. Please don't' suggest moving as that is not an option and I would enjoy having another "senior" member of the family to care for when this one is gone.

Any dog owners going through similar situations?
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

Sorry to hear of your problem, welcome to EF...
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

Where in Geneva are you? Any chance of moving to another area? Geneva police are a bit useless for all things, imo.
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

I don't get it. You've reported it to the police and they took action within the limits of what they can legally do.

What do you want, that they put them in prison, take them them in a field and put a bullet in their heads, they are after all only drug addicts?



There are unpleasant people all over the world unfortunately.
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

you had me until you pepper sprayed the dog
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you had me until you pepper sprayed the dog
I'm trying to work out if she sprayed the dog or the owner...
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

You pepper spayed somebody and the police did nothing, .....something tells me this is more imaginative than reality
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you had me until you pepper sprayed the dog
did she spray the dog or the owner? was not clear to me
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you had me until you pepper sprayed the dog
Exactly. I don't see any excuse for pepper spraying a dog that wants to play. All dogs are sociable and will want to meet new dogs... there may be some bristling and growling at first as they work out in their own way who is higher up in the pecking order. If the OP's elderly dog does not want to play, or can't she will have her own way of communicating that to the other dog.

Without actually being there, I would say that your behaviour in shouting at tyne the other dog and owner could actually be causing more stress to your own dog. Remember, you are the pack leader and she will look to you to in situations like this. If you are stressed, so will she be.
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

the op reminds me of this swiss-german couple driving along at 35kph who got upset at me overtaking them by speeding up. as i approaching a curve, blind. so i cut in as it's better to hit them than take one on the nose.

no contact but they then chase me and stop to shout abuse. i wanted to talk to them but mr swiss-german was giving mr swiss-german a can of pepperspray.

lets be clear if i was going to beat them peppersprays would only agitate me more - soar eyes would be nothing compared to them.

anyway, pepperspray owner is part of the problem.
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

I cannot say for sure, but your posts suggest to me that perhaps you and your dog need to get out more and mingle with the crowd.

The public places belong to the public. There are all sorts of people out there and misinterpretations can be easy.

If you prefer to be left alone, like you said your dog too, then you should maybe look for a private garden place to walk your dog, etc.

I am not trying to be sarcastic or bad, but I once had a similar problem with socialising with people here. Call it cultural shock.
Well, I am a guest in Switzerland, and if the dogs (or owners) are more friendly than what I am used to, I tell myself to get to their levels OR I stay the hell out of public eye.

Hope you find a balance. Pepper-spraying anything but thugs who are displaying their knives or guns at you, are just not very wise. Pepper-spraying a dog, well, put yourself in that owner's shoes.
You have a dog, right?

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Police are for catching baddies and so forth. They do not assist you with dog problems or unfriendly encounters. Sad but true. They usually need to see blood before they are allowed (by law) to take any real action.
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the op reminds me of this swiss-german couple driving along at 35kph who got upset at me overtaking them by speeding up. as i approaching a curve, blind. so i cut in as it's better to hit them than take one on the nose.

no contact but they then chase me and stop to shout abuse. i wanted to talk to them but mr swiss-german was giving mr swiss-german a can of pepperspray.

lets be clear if i was going to beat them peppersprays would only agitate me more - soar eyes would be nothing compared to them.

anyway, pepperspray owner is part of the problem.


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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

This time it was the dog, the next time I'm afraid it's going to be the owner. *shrugs*.

Simple solution to avoid these situations would be for the owner to either leash the dog or train it well enough to respond to commands. Since I'm not encroaching on their territory but rather the other way around, I find it bizarre that I'm basically being told to let my dog be molested or worse injured (forgot to mention our neighbor's French bulldog was attacked by the loose boxer and required stitches).

Anyway, not wanting to start a debate about what I should or should not have done, only wondered if anyone else was having a similar problem and what they were able to do to rectify it.

I was told by two police officers to buy and USE the pepper spray in cases like this and I actually had a Geneva police officer suggest to my husband that he just hit the guy.

Is this the help I can expect to receive from the police?
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

It sounds as if your issue is more with the dog owners, not the unleashed dogs.

While clearly the dogs should be on-leash, it doesn't sound like they have harmed your dog in any way.

Maybe you should consider reporting the alleged threats of violence and murder by strangers to the police rather than reporting these peoples' unleashed dogs.
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Loose boxers often do need stitches, that's true. I usually get my wife to do them.
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

[QUOTE=Tonia2121;1830077I find it bizarre that I'm basically being told to let my dog be molested or worse injured[/QUOTE]
who said that?
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This time it was the dog, the next time I'm afraid it's going to be the owner. *shrugs*.

Simple solution to avoid these situations would be for the owner to either leash the dog or train it well enough to respond to commands. Since I'm not encroaching on their territory but rather the other way around, I find it bizarre that I'm basically being told to let my dog be molested or worse injured (forgot to mention our neighbor's French bulldog was attacked by the loose boxer and required stitches).

Anyway, not wanting to start a debate about what I should or should not have done, only wondered if anyone else was having a similar problem and what they were able to do to rectify it.

I was told by two police officers to buy and USE the pepper spray in cases like this and I actually had a Geneva police officer suggest to my husband that he just hit the guy.

Is this the help I can expect to receive from the police?
Geneve police said this? UNBELIEVABLE. .

Try this:
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Ask your wife to pepper spray them before wearing
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Re: What's wrong with the Geneva Police?

Which Geneva Police were you dealing with ?

Canton Police-Two tone blue uniform with firearm...Full police powers

Municipal Police-Two tone grey uniform with no firearm...More limited police powers (can't have firearms or blue lights)
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