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WorldTraveller 14.01.2008 13:08

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Britain is definitely not in general a happy place at all. It's too crowded, too many foreign people not well integrated, infrastructure below par and the weather is famously crap. I'm glad to find Switzerland one of the happiest places on earth because that's where we're moving!

I can't vouch for the suicide rate. Because the numbers are small for suicide, it's difficult to correlate that to a certain set of factors. Also, the margin of error would be quite big for such small numbers. I don't think it's therefore a very good guide to the overall unhappiness of a place.

Guest 14.01.2008 13:15

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Has the suicide rate, been adjusted by the Dignitas assisted-suicide cases that we here about?

TonyBhoy 14.01.2008 13:17

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So we can say, the happy people are happier, and the unhappy people are more suicidle in CH.

I think the suicide rate is more accurate than the figures which are trying to show how happy people are. How do you measure that accurately, you cant!

Stephanwolf 14.01.2008 13:17

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Originally Posted by TonyBhoy (Post 155748)
and by the way, the 2 statistics are contradicting, how can switzerland be so happy if the suicide rate is so high compared to britain.

Its a lot of rubbish

That's not contradictory. They are happy cuz the ones who aren't take care of their problems on their own allowing the happy to live a nice life and not having to pay all the taxes so the unhappy can sit in asylums...

Lorenheim 14.01.2008 13:19

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Originally Posted by TonyBhoy (Post 155748)
and by the way, the 2 statistics are contradicting, how can switzerland be so happy if the suicide rate is so high compared to britain.

Its a lot of rubbish

Well. It's a very happy place - Everyone is smiling and well cared for, Teeth are whiter, Songs are livelier, Food is tastier and the grass is much greener. Unfortunately, Mr. X has missed out on the happiness and is greatly depressed. He throws himself in front of an otherwise perfectly on time train and removes himself from the community. The average happiness of those left behind is higher and the suicide rate increases.

QED

Stephanwolf 14.01.2008 13:21

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Originally Posted by Lorenheim (Post 155815)
Well. It's a very happy place - Everyone is smiling and well cared for, Teeth are whiter, Songs are livelier, Food is tastier and the grass is much greener. Unfortunately, Mr. X has missed out on the happiness and is greatly depressed. He throws himself in front of an otherwise perfectly on time train and removes himself from the community. The average happiness of those left behind is higher and the suicide rate increases.

QED

Yep very efficient and when the survey people come to assess happiness, they find but happy people (they can hardly ask the ones who killed themselves cuz they were unhappy). If anything, the two statistics support eachother.

WorldTraveller 14.01.2008 13:26

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Originally Posted by TonyBhoy (Post 155813)
So we can say, the happy people are happier, and the unhappy people are more suicidle in CH.

I think the suicide rate is more accurate than the figures which are trying to show how happy people are. How do you measure that accurately, you cant!

You can quantify everything. While happiness in itself is subjective, that does not present a problem for quantification because it's that subjective sense of happiness that you're trying to measure per capita to begin with. So per capita, if more people say they are happy, then they are. If you have a big enough sample size, you can extrapolate accurately how widespread that happiness is.

The question I have with suicide rate, especially in Switzerland where they allow assisted suicide is that there will be quite a few terminal patients who prefer a comfortable death. It doesn't mean they didn't live a happy life but they want a comfortable death as well which adds to happiness score.

WorldTraveller 14.01.2008 14:51

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Oh, and good for Malaysia. I'm both surprised and not to see the country I grew up in placed 17. It's uncrowded compared to most of the countries in the region, relatively well-off and have decent modern facilities and still unspoilt natural habitat. No wonder the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans have been coming to holiday there like there's no tomorrow!

However, there's no possibility of skiing so that a deal breaker for me. :msncrazy:

hugh_abu 14.01.2008 15:20

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:msnmad:Now I realise why I'm so pissed off all the time, cos everyone here is so happy happy joy joy!!!!

:mad::msnmad::msnmad:

Guest 14.01.2008 15:35

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I have no idea what you are talking about, but I do know that I am happy as Larry, whoever he is.

dave


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Originally Posted by WorldTraveller (Post 155824)
You can quantify everything. While happiness in itself is subjective, that does not present a problem for quantification because it's that subjective sense of happiness that you're trying to measure per capita to begin with. So per capita, if more people say they are happy, then they are. If you have a big enough sample size, you can extrapolate accurately how widespread that happiness is.


14.01.2008 15:37

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Originally Posted by DaveA (Post 155968)
I have no idea what you are talking about, but I do know that I am happy as Larry, whoever he is.

dave


I am indeed happy here... count me in as happy as Curly. ( Now we only need Mo... )

WorldTraveller 14.01.2008 16:32

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Just continue to meditate and you'll soon comprehend the state of happiness that is Switzerland. :)

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Originally Posted by DaveA (Post 155968)
I have no idea what you are talking about, but I do know that I am happy as Larry, whoever he is.

dave


14.01.2008 17:13

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I'm in Copenhagen right now, and I have to say the Danes got it right: they know how to balance work and personal life, as in 7 weeks holidays per year and short working days with super flexibility if you have any sort of emergency (doc appointments etc). They have free education, free medical system, a transport system that's as good as the Swiss, and generally speaking streets that are super clean and flats that would put to shame any Londoner in terms of size and quality.

The results are very friendly people who all speak fluent English, as well as often French and German. They're very helpful (especially when they don't gain anything from it), smily, respect your personal space (not the case in London!), and know what good food means - highest number of Michelin restaurants here!

Looking forward to checking out number 2..

Wingnut 14.01.2008 17:27

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I'm from Sweden, I have lots of relatives in Denmark, I've lived a bit all over the world, Switzerland being the current one of course. My sister lived in The Bahamas a while, etc. So I can at least get a feel for most of the countries in the list.

I'm not surprised that Denmark is at the top, although I'm not sure about #1. They do know how to live a good life and enjoy themselves, which oddly Swedes are really bad at, especially during the winter. Finland and Sweden both have very high suicide rate, and after living in Sweden for 20 years and then moving away, there's almost nothing I miss from living there except certain minor things.

That said, the Irish always seem way happier than the Swedes from my experience and most Dutch people I've met seem to love their country and always talk very highly of it. Maybe I've just run in to the happy ones of course. Bahamas is a surprise to me, it has loads of problems despite being a paradise place to live. Perhaps they didn't ask any locals how they feel?

Just yesterday I met a few people from South Africa who were absolutely loving Switzerland and really wanted to live here. But despite being here for only 3 months I don't feel l like the Swiss are very happy people. I'd call them content, but happy? Maybe I'll live to see it in the coming years of living here.

Personally, the Spanish seem like a really happy bunch, I'm surprised that's not in the top 10 in fact. They certainly seem to know how to live as well.

dakman 14.01.2008 17:38

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what I hear from Spanish people is that incomes aren't keeping up with the increases in everything since introduction of Euro plus their economic boom. Plus, they are working like Brits but trying to live a Spanish lifestyle, late meals. Thus, no siesta in the afternoon means sleep is limited.

gooner 14.01.2008 17:38

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Originally Posted by dakman (Post 156094)
what I hear from Spanish people is that incomes aren't keeping up with the increases in everything since introduction of Euro plus their economic boom. Plus, they are working like Brits but trying to live a Spanish lifestyle, late meals. Thus, no siesta in the afternoon means sleep is limited.

Ah, but they have Jamon.

RachelDavid 14.01.2008 17:46

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Hello,

Anyone can be in the worlds beautiful place......but it all depends upon the person and how he lives and take life.Only an individual can make his living The Best.

Rach.

Mark75 14.01.2008 17:51

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Originally Posted by debydebo (Post 156082)
I'm in Copenhagen right now, and I have to say the Danes got it right: they know how to balance work and personal life, as in 7 weeks holidays per year and short working days with super flexibility if you have any sort of emergency (doc appointments etc). They have free education, free medical system, a transport system that's as good as the Swiss, and generally speaking streets that are super clean and flats that would put to shame any Londoner in terms of size and quality.

Sounds quite nice, but I hear that the taxes up there are hard to swallow. :eek:

Auslšnder 14.01.2008 17:54

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The grass is greener in Denmark!

WorldTraveller 14.01.2008 17:54

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There's no need to be rude.

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Originally Posted by hugh_abu (Post 156100)
Is it just me suffering turbulance?:msnsick::msnsick::msnsick:



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