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Old 14.01.2008, 17:59
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

My opinion is that the World is not a beautiful place. I apologise if I have contributed to that with my rude email.

But lets open our eyes a little and face the fact that often its luck that allows people the luxury to be happy.


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Old 14.01.2008, 18:04
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

The world isn't all love and light but it's not irredeemably bad. Switzerland is one of the least bad places in the world....if you can get in.

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I think the original post is offensive.

Take a small child suffering from malnutrition... lack of water, education, physically and mentally abused whatever...

I wish they would just be more happy and remember that "the worlds a beautiful place......but it all depends upon the person and how he lives and take life.Only an individual can make his living The Best."

Since when was the world a beautiful place? Okay I am not trying to be rude to you Rachael sorry... but come on... lets face it. People are not nice, and nor is the world.. its a nasty place.
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Old 14.01.2008, 18:07
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

Precisely,

Tell an asylum seeker that he's missing the point and why doesn't he just come and live in Switzerland.."its a nice place".

(I deleted my two offensive posts, my intention was not to be rude to Rachel)


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Old 14.01.2008, 18:19
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

Hello,

Thanks for not being rude to me.Anyhow if u think Swiss is one of the least bad places in the world,then why dont You stay here and make yoursekf Happy.

Rach.

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Old 14.01.2008, 18:23
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

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Unhappiest places on earth (Going by suicide rate, numjbers are per 1000 people)

1 LITHUANIA 75.6
2 RUSSIAN FEDERATION 70.6
3 BELARUS 63.6
4 LATVIA 56.6
5 UKRAINE 52.1
6 SLOVENIA 47.3
7 HUNGARY 47.1
8 KAZAKHSTAN 46.4
9 ESTONIA 45.8
I see a strong correlation with the top 10 of last year's (and previous years) Eurovision song contest. A coincidence ? I don't think so!
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Old 14.01.2008, 18:28
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Sounds quite nice, but I hear that the taxes up there are hard to swallow.
Well, the expat rate is right up there with the Swiss rates.

And as for the majority who pay the full tax price (yes, very high, but salaries are consequential to cover that), you get what you pay for. And from what I hear there are all sorts of ways to lower your taxes at the end of the year - owning your flat is one of them, since interest is tax deductible.

I love it here, got a very mild case of culture shock for about a week (and that was due to very long bright hours in summer), and would happily survive many more winters. But sometimes you gotta go where the tide takes you. So number 2 it is.
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

Hi,

I dont think u have to be rude to me.Everyone has different ideas and thoughts.Sometimes it may match or not.So u are giving your views and I am with mine.IN THIS WORLD EACH ONE IS UNIQUE.

Rach.

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Precisely,

Tell an asylum seeker that he's missing the point and why doesn't he just come and live in Switzerland.."its a nice place".

(I deleted my two offensive posts, my intention was not to be rude to Rachel)
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

The survey was not conducted by ABC, they just reported the result. Here's a couple of links if you want to read more about this... it's part of a body of research on Subjective Well Being (SWB).

http://www.le.ac.uk/users/aw57/world/sample.html

http://www.psych.uiuc.edu/~ediener/hottopic/paper1.html

The way that we evaluate negative outcomes is different from positive (e.g., we are more upset by loss than pleased by a gain of equal value), which suggests that suicide is not the opposite of happiness.

Konijn has it right, though - suicide is probably associated with the Eurovision song contest.

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Old 14.01.2008, 19:49
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

funny when malta/half of these "states" do have 10.000 people living there.
but i know too why i have left krauts land...
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

Perhaps Switzerland came second because they didn't ask the people who had committed suicide?
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how can switzerland be so happy if the suicide rate is so high compared to britain.
Because all the depressed people top themselves - leaving only happy bunnies to answer surveys....

HTH.

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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

1 out of 5 suicides in switzerland in really an assisted suicide. I don't think the figures take that into account.



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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

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"Further analysis showed that a nation's level of happiness was most closely associated with health levels (correlation of .62), followed by wealth (.52), and then provision of education (.51).

So that would explained why the UK are down at 41st place given the state of the NHS and the Education system
I think health in UK is more associated to what people do to themselves rather than NHS
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

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Both you and the blog you quoted from have got your statistics mixed up. The figures are per 100'000 people, not per 1000.

Your figures suggest a 7.5% suicide rate in Lithuania. The actual value is 0.075%.

Reminds me of a thread on this forum where posters claim that something is "fact" just because it is posted on another website.....
The website was misquoted in this forum...it DID say per 100,00. The numbers were taken from the "the World Health Organization suicide site". Doesn't look like they were made up, to me. In fact, the WHO has redone the stats for 2007 now: http://www.who.int/mental_health/pre.../en/index.html

...and even if the "per" number were off by a factor of 100...the rankings for suicide rate all stay the same...they're just all divided by 100 (Swiss men are still in 17th place).
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Old 20.01.2008, 22:38
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

Pahhh... what the fu** are the Swedish whining about heavy winter...? I'm from the most north capital in the world: Reykjavik - Iceland! -And we are more happy than the Swedish according to this.
But even though we are so happy, I think we also have the record of most sold depression drugs. I mean, that's no wonder, we have 3 hours of daylight right now!
But even so, we have nearly free education and nearly free health-system, women and men are very equal here, it is easy to go for high education and get a good job in the future. I think those are the things that matters when the level of happiness is mesured.
And the bad things are that the weather is bad and the beer is expensive
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Old 28.01.2008, 01:07
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

Is there any survey done to check which country is best for foreigners to live in?

I suppose not because living in Zurich or Geneva must be way different from living in Blickesdorf..
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

The Danes must be taxed so high, they have no money to travel and compare... see Bhutan.
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

reading this thread, you would think that anyone who hasn't killed themselves yet in this country is happy. i've noticed plenty of miserable people here, like everywhere. i think that the study itself is flawed and of very little value. perhaps people respond that they are happy because they think its the right thing to say ...
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Old 30.01.2008, 10:53
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Re: The Happiest Place on Earth (Switzerland No.2)

That is exactly my view! I think there is a huge cultural difference in how you are _suppose_ to percieve you life and thus, this of course gets reflected in these type of surveys.

In the Zwingly/Calvin world of Switzerland - being satisfied with your life is _part of your life_. Compare that with Spain e.g. where you are supposed to moan about your life over a coffee aprox. 5 times/day. Of course the resluts get teinted by this!



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reading this thread, you would think that anyone who hasn't killed themselves yet in this country is happy. i've noticed plenty of miserable people here, like everywhere. i think that the study itself is flawed and of very little value. perhaps people respond that they are happy because they think its the right thing to say ...
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reading this thread, you would think that anyone who hasn't killed themselves yet in this country is happy. i've noticed plenty of miserable people here, like everywhere. i think that the study itself is flawed and of very little value. perhaps people respond that they are happy because they think its the right thing to say ...
If you are really happy, you don't need to remind this to yourself or claim it to the whole world. If you have to do that, it means you are probably not happy. That's how I see it.
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