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Arrange a meeting in/at that charming bistro at the AeroClub just accross from the airport buildings of Cointrin.
That bistro is about as charming as a refugee camp on a bad day.
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It's always a numbers game...lets look at the figures:

Geneva has a population of approximately 194,000 people. Of which (based on simple demography) consist of:
52% that are female
40% are unmarried/single
27.2% are between the age of 20-40
and 8% are "Asian".

This leaves approximately 878 single "Asian" females available. Now, of these 878 who are "Asian" only 45% are Eastern or Southern Asians. This reduces the total count to 395.

Adding the fact that the OP abstains from Alcohol, according to the WHO only 18.8% of the Swiss population at large DOES NOT DRINK. This then reduces the 395 to 74.

Adding a simple casual dating ratio of 50%, this further reduces the number to 37. So....37/194,000.....This may not be great to hear, and I'm sure it does nothing to encourage the OP in his search, but there is only 0.019% of the population that match the "criteria".

Not all is lost. To the OP...you have some work to do. Even though there are only 37 single, alcohol-free, Asian females between the ages of 20 and 40 who are in Geneva...you can rest assured that statistics don't lie and that there:

ARE AT LEAST 37 SINGLE, ALCOHOL-FREE, ASIAN FEMALES BETWEEN THE AGES OF 20-40 WHO LIVE IN GENEVA!!!!

Look on the bright side though...if you started drinking and opened your eye towards non-asians you would likely have more opportunity than you would be able to handle.

Good luck!

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http://www.infoswiss.info/canton-geneva.html
http://www.who.int/entity/substance_.../msbgsreur.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...of_Switzerland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population
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Fun facts to throw your calculation off:
- I bet the OP would be ok to get laid with a non-asian.
- I bet the OP would be ok with a girl that occasionally drinks alcohol.
- you are assuming in your calculation that the percentages are evenly spread while I would bet that there are more people unmarried in the younger age groups than in the older one... or that Asian expats are overrepresented in the 25-40 yrs old.

And on all the other posts on cultural differences: I have a Chinese wife, studied in a class with over 70% Asian and currently live in Singapore - trust me, Asian chicks flirt exactly the same as Europeans. It really is that simple.

The cultural differences are important but only kick in later - the OP will be much more picky about certain things than most European guys because he has some family plans in mind as well as "will my parents accept her?". But in order to find that out will he have to talk to the girls first...
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I assume that your Paladin is definitely a lvl 90...


- you are assuming in your calculation that the percentages are evenly spread while I would bet that there are more people unmarried in the younger age groups than in the older one... or that Asian expats are overrepresented in the 25-40 yrs old.
What's a Paladin?

With respect to the calculations, it was not possible at this time to determine the differential effect of age vs marital status. But i would agree with you: resident alien females are more likely to be single. But are also equally as likely to be transient as well.
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how many people are in geneva at any given time point though?

not many people live in geneva and then commute elsewhere so arriving minus leaving should be positive. add tourists perhaps.
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how many people are in geneva at any given time point though?

not many people live in geneva and then commute elsewhere so arriving minus leaving should be positive

Good point!!!
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Re: cultural difference? lack of luck? please advise where you met your lover‏

Per what this guy said, it's not a race thing fellow, I think it just has more to do with your personality/culture. You do seem from your posts to be a little more stressed, and or urgent - in a hurry so to say. Just take things easy, and let life come to you.

The reason why I don't believe it is a race issue is I am Half-Japanese. I know that is not exactly the same thing, but I look Japanese - just bigger. However I grew up in Alabama, raised on southern values and all that jazz.

To be brief, if I wasn't married I wouldn't have any problems finding a date. There are a lot of women that like the look of Asian men. Not many folks like to be rushed one way or another though.


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If you plan to talk to Asian girls: That's a really bad starting point. It just shows your rather typical and fairly arrogant mind-set.

Honestly: Blaming that the girls don't like you on your race is a damn easy way out, isn't it? They are all racist, it could not possibly be you... because you are a nice guy and can offer them all they want, like a non-smoker...

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I look Japanese - just bigger.
Is that what she said?
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The question is, do you like European girls? I doubt European girls dislike Asian men, maybe some girls , because Asian guys are by definition less tall then European guys... but women without complexes don't care about this at all.

Don't worry about this. You are very young and you spent lots of time studying, so didn't explore all options and I bet you didn't even explore 10% of all options. Trust me, boys who are rather shy and who do career instead of ing around left and right, are in the end significantly more attractive to all girls.

So get this crap of our head and keep living normal. it will come.

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]Hi, I am 26, just finished my master degree in Swiss and started my new job in finance for 2 months. Every time seeing family pictures and/or babies' pics of my former classmates posted on FB, I feel jealous and even more, I am actually a loser.

I am a guy but I really have no time to waste as I am supposed to have a family and babies at my age like my classmates. (apologises for those who laughing at me, but keep in mind that I am Asian and my parents started to worry about my late marriage)

I have education, job, good english, fit body type, sense of humour, etc.

I am non-smoker, no abuse of alcohol, no drug, not very into night-life, etc. But keeping a healthy life with balanced diets and regular sports/gym 5 days per week.

HOWEVER, I am not attractive to european women at all (only asian women like me). My social network is extra small. Sometimes went to friend's parties, I was talking with people well but absolutely no further development.

I bet I am lack of sense of european cultures. Please kindly advise for the below:
1. what should I learn to find my Ms. Right? If you are a girl, what are you concerned the most at first sense?
2. where did you meet your lover? should I do the same?
3. should I look for some dating website (free if possible)?

Many thanks in advance. I will keep update this post after I try your suggested tricks if I succeed.


PS: I have to tell a significant weakness of myself. As I am Asian, I look a few years younger than my actual age and I know european girls don't like it but prefer a mature man-looking. But at least I am a responsible and reliable person and unfortunately cannot be seen through appearance.[/QUOTE]
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Is that what she said?
:P oh I walked into that
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What has height to do with anything?

Half the women I've had relationships with have been taller then me.

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I assume that your Paladin is definitely a lvl 90...

Fun facts to throw your calculation off:
- I bet the OP would be ok to get laid with a non-asian.
- I bet the OP would be ok with a girl that occasionally drinks alcohol.

And on all the other posts on cultural differences: I have a Chinese wife, studied in a class with over 70% Asian and currently live in Singapore - trust me, Asian chicks flirt exactly the same as Europeans. It really is that simple.

The cultural differences are important but only kick in later - the OP will be much more picky about certain things than most European guys because he has some family plans in mind as well as "will my parents accept her?". But in order to find that out will he have to talk to the girls first...
1. Yes, you are right. I absolutely like non-asian!! European or South/North American preferred.

2. Yes, you are right. Go back to the beginning of this thread. I hope I was clear to tell the difference between 'not abuse alcohol' and 'not drink alcohol' (I hope my English was not too bad to make misunderstanding). I do drink myself with friends and colleagues but I just mean I DON'T get so drunk to sleep on the street or kiss all girls in the club. That means ABUSE ALCOHOL to me.

Definitely, a girl who drinks everyday is ok to me as long as she don't get so drunk in the club to have sex with different men.

3. I am open-minded. I don't plan to get married with Chinese only or Asian women only. Rather, I open my arms to all possibility.
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Old 05.08.2013, 08:48
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1. Yes, you are right. I absolutely like non-asian!! European or South/North American preferred.

2. Yes, you are right. Go back to the beginning of this thread. I hope I was clear to tell the difference between 'not abuse alcohol' and 'not drink alcohol' (I hope my English was not too bad to make misunderstanding). I do drink myself with friends and colleagues but I just mean I DON'T get so drunk to sleep on the street or kiss all girls in the club. That means ABUSE ALCOHOL to me.

Definitely, a girl who drinks everyday is ok to me as long as she don't get so drunk in the club to have sex with different men.

3. I am open-minded. I don't plan to get married with Chinese only or Asian women only. Rather, I open my arms to all possibility.
Well alright alright!!! These are good clarifications.

This changes your chances quite a bit then: 194,000*52%female*40%single*27.2%(20-40 years old)*70%not heavy drinkers = 7,683 available ladies.

You've got work to do my friend!!! My wholehardted recommendation is to check out the activity website www.meetup.com. Im sure you will find some things you like to do and meet some ladies who are single in the process.
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OP, what is the ethnic composition of social group?

I understand your background ever so much.
I've seen and been in them all so here are a few options to select from:
1. Mostly other HKers, mostly speaking Cantonese
2. Mostly other Chinese, mostly speaking English/French/whatever domestic language (2nd+ generation)
3. Mostly "locals" (ethnically European and what I consider 3rd+ generation of immigrants, so a nice mix)
4. Mostly other foreigners (recent immigrants)

1 & 2 will exclusively bar you from market you're after. Why? Because the cultural differences are too big. You probably know the term FOB. This is the stamp on these two groups.
4 is also difficult because of the different cultures/langauges/social barriers unless you're still a student
3 is best if you want to find another "local"

Also, the following are also important:
- Did you study what your parents wanted you to study?
- Did your parents for all your schooling expecting you to find a good job so they can brag about it to their friends/family back in the "motherland"?
- Did they expect you to have a wife and child by the time you're 30?
- Do you consider yourself a banana? ("yellow" on the outside, "white" on the inside?)

In uni, I wrote articles about Sino/Canadian culture differences & conflicts. It's interesting to revisit these topics.
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4. Mostly other foreigners (recent immigrants)
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4 is also difficult because of the different cultures/langauges/social barriers unless you're still a student
I completely disagree - I have been to a good number of EF drinks and a lot of intercultural couples found each other there over the years. Some got married by now and I don't think any of the ones that come to my mind were still students when they met. The "expat" scene does not have any language issue - it simply is English, no matter where you are from. I don't even get the social barriers part - that is much higher between different locals than at an expat meeting.
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Is that what she said?
But You look like a white bunny You don't look Japanese at all in here

No need to worry.

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But You look like a white bunny You don't look Japanese at all in here

No need to worry.
I am pretty sure I don't look Japanese in real life either, I think you are mixing me up... (but I would not "worry" if I did... I personally love Japan and it's culture.).

P.S> It's not a bunny, but a "raving rabbid" (aka "lapin cretin"), a computer game character that fits very well to this forum.


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Yes, I like tall girls, for no reason. And I do like a girl who is taller than me but not mandatory.
It's normal, tall ladies are pretty. Why do you think we all struggle to learn walking on high hills? It is purely for esthetical reasons.

Now I sound like an idiot in this conversation, I actually joined the forum to find myself fishing partners... and now I am sucked up into joking around...
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No, you are NOT wrong ! I above told you to launch EF events in Geneva with some clear ideas

it may be up to YOU to start something !
I'm 100% behind Wolli on this one.


All this "Cultural" talk has been interesting, but ultimately it doesn't make any real difference.

No woman wants a boring man.... and apart from the 'non-drinking' bit, it sounds like you have a bit to offer.

It has been constantly repeated here in this thread to just "BE YOURSELF", and follow the things you are interested in.

LAUNCHING EVENTS on the forum will assist you in two ways:
1. You will actually be doing stuff that you like, and will therefore be "in your element" (or the 'zone' as some of our American friends would prefer)
2. Being the Organiser....... "You ARE the Man !!!"
(and chicks dig this)

You don't have to be an extravert, just take the time to think the process through and work at 'getting it right' over time. eg.
  • Where you want to go, or what to do (obviously)
  • How to get there (suggest transport tips)
  • Costs involved (estimates)
  • Keep in contact with the group with updates etc.
  • Propose idea's, but make the decisions.
  • Don't be a Dick.
Above all, always remember that mistakes are made, but learn from them.
Things may start slowly, but after a few events things will pick up...... and eventually so will the girls.

People always complain that "Nothing happens in Geneva", so here is an epic window of opportunity for you.

Google is your friend, so start looking at Resturants, Theatres, Cinemas, Pubs (even though you don't drink, others do)....... research them, and start something up.
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I assume that your Paladin is definitely a lvl 90...

Fun facts to throw your calculation off:
- I bet the OP would be ok to get laid with a non-asian.
- I bet the OP would be ok with a girl that occasionally drinks alcohol.
- you are assuming in your calculation that the percentages are evenly spread while I would bet that there are more people unmarried in the younger age groups than in the older one... or that Asian expats are overrepresented in the 25-40 yrs old.

And on all the other posts on cultural differences: I have a Chinese wife, studied in a class with over 70% Asian and currently live in Singapore - trust me, Asian chicks flirt exactly the same as Europeans. It really is that simple.

The cultural differences are important but only kick in later - the OP will be much more picky about certain things than most European guys because he has some family plans in mind as well as "will my parents accept her?". But in order to find that out will he have to talk to the girls first...
And how do Chinese wives react on hubbies that are flirting with the locals in Singapore?
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And how do Chinese wives react on hubbies that are flirting with the locals in Singapore?
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