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Hi all,
This might seem like a weird question, but I've always been curious about the hoards of older hikers/outdoors people (50-60+) who take group reservations on the trains. I love seeing them heading out on the trains and on the hiking trails. There are so many of them sometimes, that I wonder if they were all friends for years before their adventure or if there are communities of older adults in Switzerland who organize these events? Something like meetup.org but in real life In the US in some cities we have community centers that geared specifically toward the elderly and have various fitness, arts, learning, etc. events, so I wondered if it was something like that, or if such a place exists in Switzerland.

I do research in aging so perhaps that's why I'm a young person who is interested in this

Thanks for your help!
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Hi all,
This might seem like a weird question, but I've always been curious about the hoards of older hikers/outdoors people (50-60+) who take group reservations on the trains. I love seeing them heading out on the trains and on the hiking trails. There are so many of them sometimes, that I wonder if they were all friends for years before their adventure or if there are communities of older adults in Switzerland who organize these events? Something like meetup.org but in real life In the US in some cities we have community centers that geared specifically toward the elderly and have various fitness, arts, learning, etc. events, so I wondered if it was something like that, or if such a place exists in Switzerland.

I do research in aging so perhaps that's why I'm a young person who is interested in this

Thanks for your help!

> first of all I strictly oppose !!
50+ people are aging but youngish
60+ people are aging but still feeling youngish
70+ people are aging average
80+ people are aging and starting to get old
90+ people are gradually realising to be really old
100+ people FEEL old

and did those no longer really young people really know each other for decades ? The so-called "hard-core" possibly yes. Others are neighbours or members of a particular association or club or co-operative

I mean I sometimes meet people I knew since schooltime in the 1950ies and 60ies. And then there are lots of people I learnt to know after about 1968. And then there a "newcomers" I learnt to know as late as after 1975. And then there even are people I learnt to know after 2008, which means quite recently
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Re: Those active older Swiss people

There are lots of local hiking clubs and, in my experience, they do tend to attract mostly older people.

The Swiss Alpine Club's local sections also have hikes specifically reserved for retired people (sometimes even more specifically for retired men), usually on Thursdays.
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There are lots of local hiking clubs and, in my experience, they do tend to attract mostly older people.

The Swiss Alpine Club's local sections also have hikes specifically reserved for retired people (sometimes even more specifically for retired men), usually on Thursdays.
the point about retired people is that they can get out on any day of the week, while most of people still at work are out between Monday and Friday
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Old 03.08.2013, 12:11
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It is very likely that some of them are organised holiday groups such as Saga Holidays from the UK
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Re: Those active older Swiss people

Here Ausflug/excursions (involving hiking) are more popular than just rent a cabin or go to a restaurant for dinner. And the public transport system covering the remotest part of the country and the short distances certainly play a role.

Not only by older people: hiking - and not primarily going to a restaurant - is very often the first option we think of, when we organise a get together event.

There are probably other aspects...
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'Vereinsleben', one of the building blocks of Swiss society.

Name an interest and you'll find a Verein, an organization/club/association dedicated to it. You join up and hey presto! you have a group of kindred souls with whom you can enjoy your favorite leisure activities.

Frauenverein, Mannerverein, Seniorenverein, Elternverein, Sportverein, Wanderverein, Whateververein... every town or Dorf has 'em, and just about every Verein, even those not expressly dedicated to hiking, seems to organize such outings now and again.

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Typo there, Meloncollie. It should be in the plus-plus-plural - our small town has over 30 (thirty!) sports clubs! And, as you so rightly say, they probably all do the odd hike from time to time - perhaps when the gymnasiums which they normally use for their training (and which often belong to the schools) are, together with the schools themselves, closed for the summer holidays.

Hiking was THE done thing when I first came to Switzerland. Red socks and all. It was cheap, the whole family could do it together and it was fun.
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'Vereinsleben', one of the building blocks of Swiss society.

Name and interest and you'll find a Verein, an organization/club/association dedicated to it. You join up and hey presto! you have a group of kindred souls with whom you can enjoy your favorite leisure activities.

Frauenverein, Mannerverein, Seniorenverein, Elternverein, Sportverein, Wanderverein, Whateververein... every town or Dorf has 'em, and just about every Verein, even those not expressly dedicated to hiking, seems to organize such outings now and again.
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Typo there, Meloncollie. It should be in the plus-plus-plural - our small town has over 30 (thirty!) sports clubs! And, as you so rightly say, they probably all do the odd hike from time to time - perhaps when the gymnasiums which they normally use for their training (and which often belong to the schools) are, together with the schools themselves, closed for the summer holidays.

Hiking was THE done thing when I first came to Switzerland. Red socks and all. It was cheap, the whole family could do it together and it was fun.

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I'm thinking of starting a 'Folks-who-really-ought-to-get-back-to-the-Sprachschule-but-are-too-lazy-to-do-so' Verein. For our annual outing we'll all take the train together to Andermatt and end our hike at the Restaurant Chuchichäschtli.
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I'm thinking of starting a 'Folks-who-really-ought-to-get-back-to-the-Sprachschule-but-are-too-lazy-to-do-so' Verein. For our annual outing we'll all take the train together to Andermatt and end our hike at the Restaurant Chuchichäschtli.

And maybe a 'Folks-who-are-young-and-bored-in-Switzerland' group.
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I'm thinking of starting a 'Folks-who-really-ought-to-get-back-to-the-Sprachschule-but-are-too-lazy-to-do-so' Verein. For our annual outing we'll all take the train together to Andermatt and end our hike at the Restaurant Chuchichäschtli.
I sign up if they sell beer in the chuchichaeschtli
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Just make sure you don't sit in the area on the train that is reserved for them.They have been known to lynch people for less.
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Hi all,
This might seem like a weird question, but I've always been curious about the hoards of older hikers/outdoors people (50-60+) who take group reservations on the trains. I love seeing them heading out on the trains and on the hiking trails. There are so many of them sometimes, that I wonder if they were all friends for years before their adventure or if there are communities of older adults in Switzerland who organize these events? Something like meetup.org but in real life In the US in some cities we have community centers that geared specifically toward the elderly and have various fitness, arts, learning, etc. events, so I wondered if it was something like that, or if such a place exists in Switzerland.

I do research in aging so perhaps that's why I'm a young person who is interested in this

Thanks for your help!
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Very interesting! Thanks for your replies, everyone Now I wonder if such clubs would ever be interested in doing some memory studies in the future with me...
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'Vereinsleben', one of the building blocks of German Swiss society.
FTFY.

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My thesis is that this is a Protestant thing - self improvement is virtuous. Lots of things go together. To do your Verein thing, you have to eat your evening meal early so that you can get out in time. It is (or was) the same in the UK with evening classes, or choirs. Every town has a choir. Kick off at 7:30, so evening meal at 6 or 6:30. Same with language classes, flower arranging and a hundred and one other ways to improve yourself. Compare with France or Italy or Spain - it's hopeless. Nothing much organized. Obviously: there's no time to do anything once the evening meal is finished.

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Obviously: there's no time to do anything once the evening meal is finished.

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I agree 100%!

BTW, I've yet to start cooking ours!

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My thesis is that this is a Protestant thing - self improvement is virtuous. Lots of things go together. To do your Verein thing, you have to eat your evening meal early so that you can get out in time. It is (or was) the same in the UK with evening classes, or choirs. Every town has a choir. Kick off at 7:30, so evening meal at 6 or 6:30. Same with language classes, flower arranging and a hundred and one other ways to improve yourself. Compare with France or Italy or Spain - it's hopeless. Nothing much organized. Obviously: there's no time to do anything once the evening meal is finished.

To discuss - all opinions welcome.
Hah! Very interesting, I would have never put all of that together. I can't comment as it's just my initial observation but I enjoyed this hypothesis
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My thesis is that this is a Protestant thing - self improvement is virtuous. Lots of things go together. To do your Verein thing, you have to eat your evening meal early so that you can get out in time. It is (or was) the same in the UK with evening classes, or choirs. Every town has a choir. Kick off at 7:30, so evening meal at 6 or 6:30. Same with language classes, flower arranging and a hundred and one other ways to improve yourself. Compare with France or Italy or Spain - it's hopeless. Nothing much organized. Obviously: there's no time to do anything once the evening meal is finished.

To discuss - all opinions welcome.
evening language classes etc to me meant a very late dinner, somewhere between 2100 and 0100 . Even in good company of a particular language course, we had the double lesson between 1900 and 2100 and then went eating out together. So that THIS is the way how to do it. Lots of Vereine have meals together AFTER the exercises/activities

In the Arab World for example, football is played after 19.00 for obvious reasons, and people tend to go out together after about 2100 or 2200

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Over to the Protestant thing. There are lots of Vereine in the Innerschweiz, and in Cantons like Solothurn, Luzern and Appenzell-Innerrhoden, which means in areas with a heavy Catholic majority.
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