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Vote in September for new epidemie laws

There will be a vote to give the Government wider powers when there is a threat of an epidemie. This could be extended to compulsory inoculation in such times. How will you vote? And if you can't vote ( foreigners and children) then how will you feel when you lose the say over what happens with your own body?

http://www.vimentis.ch/abstimmungen
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

All for vaccinations if it stops epidemics! Just look at the UK measles epidemic earlier this year as parents weren't getting the kids vaccinated with MMR!
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

The freedom to choose is one of the basic rights of people
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All for vaccinations if it stops epidemics! Just look at the UK measles epidemic earlier this year as parents weren't getting the kids vaccinated with MMR!
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

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The freedom to choose is one of the basic rights of people
So is the right to physical integrety. Especially the life of people with an imune deficiency is threatened by the ones who refuse to be be vaccinated.
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

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Great... I choose not be near people who are frightened of science. So, how about, everyone who chooses not to be vaccinated goes to a quarantined location and coughs and sneezes over like minded individuals.
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

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The freedom to choose is one of the basic rights of people
Yes but it is not an absolute right and when your choices have an negative impact on those around you it will be tempered!
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

There are cases were some freedom is already given up to avoid damaging other people, like smoking in public places or driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

Thats completely off the track and has got nothing to do with the freedom I am referring to.
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

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Thats completely off the track and has got nothing to do with the freedom I am referring to.
Actually, it has everything to do with that.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gerganak...teach-the-u-s/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ars/50852098/1

The right not to die from an outbreak of an easily preventable illness trumps the right to choose.
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

Only 7 posts before smoking was brought up! A record?
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

You can argue this point forever. What about the right to choose not to wear a seatbelt as just one example? There are loads of rules which we don't like and might well choose to ignore, but the greater good of preventing the death of thousands trumps individual desires. Rules and regulations are what make a civilised society.

"The freedom to choose" is a myth promoted by democratic societies, yet where is the freedom to choose under the draconian abortion laws of the US and Ireland to name just two countries who severely restrict the right of women to decide what to do with their own bodies - and not even for the greater good, but because of religious claptrap. If every individual truly had the freedom you claim, the world would descend into chaos with everyone doing their own thing without any regard for anyone else.
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

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There will be a vote to give the Government wider powers when there is a threat of an epidemie. This could be extended to compulsory inoculation in such times. How will you vote? And if you can't vote ( foreigners and children) then how will you feel when you lose the say over what happens with your own body?

http://www.vimentis.ch/abstimmungen
The new law does NOT contain compulsory vaccinations.
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Thats completely off the track and has got nothing to do with the freedom I am referring to.
Very much to the contrary - it's exactly the same thing. Apart from the fact that the new law doesn't include the much-discussed "Impfzwang" (which has never existed, except in the minds of some religious fanatics).
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

The post concerns whether you want to hand over more control to the State in a yes vote in September. ( if at all you can vote)


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Actually, it has everything to do with that.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gerganak...teach-the-u-s/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ars/50852098/1

The right not to die from an outbreak of an easily preventable illness trumps the right to choose.
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The post concerns whether you want to hand over more control to the State in a yes vote in September. ( if at all you can vote)
yes if it saves my family's lives.
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Re: Vote in September for new epidemie laws

In English:

http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/mediz...x.html?lang=en

But, anyway, I will vote no, as I do on most things.

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But, anyway, I will vote no, as I do on most things.

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The post concerns whether you want to hand over more control to the State in a yes vote in September. ( if at all you can vote)
This may lead to a NO. As the State would lose control in favour of the Union. Votes proposing transfers of power from the State (Cantons) to the Union in the past often failed.

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whatever, I will vote YES 3-times
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This may lead to a NO. As the State would lose control in favour of the Union. Votes proposing transfers of power from the State (Cantons) to the Union in the past often failed.
That's a good point. Also, I think many people weren't happy with the State's handling the swine flu thing. I'm all in favor of tackling epidemics efficiently, but it has to be an epidemic and not just a regular flu (which turned out to be less dangerous than the normal influenza :-)
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whatever, I will vote YES 3-times
To balance out my NOs?

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