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Old 20.03.2016, 23:43
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Do they do psychological evaluations of teachers-to-be nowadays, to weed-out the loonies.



You need to be a little bit loony to do the job...

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Old 20.03.2016, 23:47
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You need to be a little bit loony to do the job...
You mean energetic, passionate and liking students?

Indeed.
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Old 20.03.2016, 23:52
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You mean energetic, passionate and liking students?

Indeed.


Absolutely. All of that. Plus organised, resilient, quick-on-your-feet, part stand-up comedian etc etc.


But definitely a little bit eccentric. It all helps...
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Old 21.03.2016, 00:01
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Absolutely. All of that. Plus organised, resilient, quick-on-your-feet, part stand-up comedian etc etc.


But definitely a little bit eccentric. It all helps...
True. Although that part is good to gauge. Or else one starts to come off as the prof who got turned in for providing tactless context.

I would blame that kind of performance for lack of tact and real creativity.

It is easy to attract attention by trying to shock, provide extremes. It is an art to stimulate people's thinking by other means.
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Old 21.03.2016, 00:04
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True. Although that part is good to gauge. Or else one starts to come off as the prof who got turned in for providing tactless context.

I would blame that kind of performance for lack of tact and real creativity.

It is easy to attract attention by trying to shock, provide extremes. It is an art to stimulate people's thinking by other means.

Oh, I agree - you have to self-regulate, be hyper-aware. And the self in front of the class is not entirely the "self" you are - it's not possible to sustain that all day everyday. All of that comes with experience, I suppose. And no, it's not for everyone.
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Old 21.03.2016, 00:18
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Oh, I agree - you have to self-regulate, be hyper-aware. And the self in front of the class is not entirely the "self" you are - it's not possible to sustain that all day everyday. All of that comes with experience, I suppose. And no, it's not for everyone.
Role-play, yes.

There are fab teachers who walk into a classroom and nail it the 1st time. There are those who intuitively assess, spot on, without long experience.

I wonder if that brainfart might be particular to stem stuff, or easier??
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Old 21.03.2016, 00:36
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Re: Train suicide

I think that once a person is so lost to themselves, they no longer have the ability to think what the consequences of walking in front of a train will have on others. They seek obliteration.
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Old 21.03.2016, 09:17
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Re: Train suicide

Our applied maths teacher was in the TA. Trajectory calculations frequently used artillery shells for the examples. Artillery shells do no damage nor cause misery on impact
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Old 21.03.2016, 09:36
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Perpetually outraged are perpetually outraged.

Teacher makes a joke in order to try and garner his pupils interest in physics and the easily offended call for him to lose his job. Good to see where the priority is.

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Because of the groan Urs Max: personally lost both a sister and a close friend to suicide. Don't find it funny.
Together with the "3 close people" you lost to driving incidents? Oh yes, you don't want people joking about car crashes either. Should we all come to you for a comedy license in future?
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Old 21.03.2016, 09:45
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The dad of a childhood friend of mine committed suicide this way.

It is actually really quite 'common' in Switzerland. I wonder why

And as far as mental illnesses in general are concerned: unfortunately, I have (and had) several friends and an ex-partner with severe mental illnesses, some of which have tried to commit suicide multiple times with no success, and some of which who have 'succeeded'. Rest assured that they do not know what they're doing when they're doing it. There is WAY too much stigma. No one would tell a paralysed person to just pull him/herself together and try walking. The same way you can't tell a severely mentally ill person to just cough it up and start thinking normally. They do not think normally. That IS the disease. So no, they will not care what their suicide does to others - that's the exact bit they can't put their heads around.

Depression can hit anyone. One friend I know was the smartest, happiest and most popular guy I ever knew. Got hit by depression out of nowhere, no prior history, shot himself three months later. Don't ever assume anyone is forever 'safe' from such illnesses.
It reminds me of Robin Williams.
Or is it Robbie Williams?
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Old 21.03.2016, 10:40
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Our applied maths teacher was in the TA. Trajectory calculations frequently used artillery shells for the examples. Artillery shells do no damage nor cause misery on impact

You just have to have a direct hit.
I assume, it's rather quick then.
I'd hate to be hit with a shrapnel only.
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Old 21.03.2016, 11:01
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You've obviously never had to live with the aftermath of something so definite. Your tasteless comments of "gimme a break" following your groan make me feel .
You shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly, that is bound to lead you to errors, as it does in this case.

In my mind your demand for a lifelong ban implies that he has to take responsibility for the death of your loved one(s) as only such a responsibility might perhaps(!) warrant the consequences you demand.
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Old 21.03.2016, 11:36
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One of my best friends committed suicide by hanging himself. He was such a lovely guy. It took a long time to come to terms with it, and for a long time, I wondered, what if I'd dropped in that day, what if I'd called, would it have made a difference ?

In the old days there was stigma about burial rights too. The family of a schoolfriend had to lie in order for her father to be buried. In the Catholic faith, it's a *sin* to take your own life, so you were not allowed to be buried on consecrated ground. Talk about adding insult to injury ...

Paris RER gets its fair share of jumpers too. It does my head in ... I feel so sorry that those people get so desperate, that they truly feel there is no other way out.
Sad story, Britething. Unfortunately, more and more of us can relate to your story. I also had someone close who committed suicide, after battling depression for years. He tried all the chemical treatments, meditation techniques, everything. One day, he just couldn't go on anymore. I would be a hypocrite if I wouldn't admit I was also furious among other things, I thought he found himself an easy way out. I was totally wounded for a couple of years.
I remember that amid all those emotions his parents had the interior strenght to deal with burial arrangement, being really afraid the church will refuse a proper burial. They would have been devastated because this person was religious.
But I digress. It must be terrible for someone to do such a thing, their life or suffering must have reached that point. Last thing they can think of is the effect of their decision on others..
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Old 21.03.2016, 11:50
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Quel tact.

That will sensitize the youth to the issue, as I am sure those are his pedagogical objectives. Did he intend to make the class laugh? Or pay extra attention to physics? It isn't allowed to be so unethical.
He could have found other examples, but I guess he was just being a bad ass. Which makes me wonder how suited for teaching such a person is, not mature enough. How would he deal with other, more important or even more delicate stuff. Some people are just not meant to be teachers, they could use their knowledge in other industries.
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Perpetually outraged are perpetually outraged.

Teacher makes a joke in order to try and garner his pupils interest in physics and the easily offended call for him to lose his job. Good to see where the priority is.
This.

Death is part of life. Some die by disease, some die by accident and yes some die by suicide.
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Old 21.03.2016, 12:15
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Re: Train suicide

Nobody denies that here- but if you can't see that using that example with a group of teenagers is out of order - then I am surprised. But I agree it is not a sackable offense, and that he should be given talk by the Head of the school and a warning. The rate of teenage crime is rising all the time- and the issues around have to be dealt with very sensitively. Over my teaching career I've known several students who ended their life and colleagues too- and when in the Gymnase our chemistry teacher killed himself in the most painful and slow way (some people are indeed not cut-out to be teachers- and the job can turn into a real nightmare for some).

At the end of the day, I hope all will agree that someone who is suicidal and deeply depressed, is better helped by being talked to sympathetically and given the card to relevant professionals or charities who can help - rather than that of Dignitas (this especially as neither Dignitas nor Exit will help with depressive illness, unless linked to a terminal or physically debilitating conditions without further treatment).
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Old 21.03.2016, 12:33
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Please make NO jokes about suicide, it's NOT FUNNY, in NO CIRCUMSTANCES WHATSOEVER.

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I think that once a person is so lost to themselves, they no longer have the ability to think what the consequences of walking in front of a train will have on others. They seek obliteration.
Sometimes, it doesn't have to do with a clinical depression - it can just mean the only way out of a hopeless situation.
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Re: Train suicide

Some people may joke about suicide, but I pray you never have to deal with the aftermath of losing someone close to you this way. Those of us that have will live with the consequences of their decision for the rest of our lives.
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Old 21.03.2016, 14:27
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Some people may joke about suicide, but I pray you never have to deal with the aftermath of losing someone close to you this way. Those of us that have will live with the consequences of their decision for the rest of our lives.
There's a huge difference between joking about the arbitrary act of suicide and mocking someone who is suffering the consequences of it. The two mustn't be confused.
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