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Old 21.03.2016, 20:06
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I agree with your sentiments mostly, also that one should discuss sensitive subjects in class.
One can discuss a topic as sensitive as suicide without using physics calculations related to an excruciating suicide method to get their point across, though - perhaps discussing suicide (pros, cons, current views, past views etc.) during ethics class in circumstances very different from the VD physics class would gently guide the students toward the subject of suicide in a much less brash way, and in a way which doesn't turn them off and might even help them deal with their loved ones' deaths, rather than upsetting them.
As far as i understood this was discussed not within an ethics class but a Physics class i.e how high was the bridge that Mr Durant threw himself from, and how quickly did he fly before his loved ones and relatives had to recognise the remains scraped from the pavement /place of impact. Perhaps a good place when studying pathology, but a class of 14 years olds studying physics ? What's wrong with the old bunsen burner?

Apparently the answer was 23,31728 Meter.
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Old 21.03.2016, 20:21
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As far as i understood this was discussed not within an ethics class but a Physics class i.e how high was the bridge that Mr Durant threw himself from, and how quickly did he fly before his loved ones and relatives had to recognise the remains scraped from the pavement /place of impact. Perhaps a good place when studying pathology, but a class of 14 years olds studying physics ? What's wrong with the old bunsen burner?

Apparently the answer was 23,31728 Meter.
Precisely. Why he couldn't have asked the same question (calculate bridge height) by saying that he threw a ball off the bridge and it bounced back up so and so many meters, is beyond me. Perhaps a reference to the Snitch (Harry Potter) would've made the students snigger/laugh/roll their eyes at him - but surely much better than what he did.

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Old 21.03.2016, 20:39
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As far as i understood this was discussed not within an ethics class but a Physics class i.e how high was the bridge that Mr Durant threw himself from, and how quickly did he fly before his loved ones and relatives had to recognise the remains scraped from the pavement /place of impact. Perhaps a good place when studying pathology, but a class of 14 years olds studying physics ? What's wrong with the old bunsen burner?

Apparently the answer was 23,31728 Meter.



All good classes are ethics classes, but I agree with what you're saying.
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Re: Train suicide

Yes. Exactly. Perhaps in dealing with inattentive 14-15 year olds in physics, the instructor wanted to shock them into attention, or perhaps encourage thought on an important issue - but he seems to have horrified some and incensed parents.

There are so many possible mechanics problems - i once had to figure out superman's acceleration to save a baby falling out of a high window. For one thing, I was a college student, and for another, it was obviously a fantasy problem. I don't believe anyone was offended or horrified by it.
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As a 14 year old was completely subdued by physics. My teacher was great (I was a dud at physics, but still managed the best in the U.K. in the exams at that time). Just needed a good teacher, and a bunsen burner was all it took.

A bunsen burner in physics? Interesting.
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LOL, in the UK physics and chemistry are often taught as 'sciences' to the age of 15
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LOL, in the UK physics and chemistry are often taught as 'sciences' to the age of 15
Yes, it was that way I guess. Found it crazy that I was found top of the year in physics that year as well. Couldn't stand either biology, chemistry nor physics. But in the later we had a good teacher.
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Old 21.03.2016, 21:32
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It was completely unethical.

As a parent [...]

I'm really disappointed in some / many.
Nobody said it's laughable. Chances are we all (at least: most) have had our losses to deal with, in that respect yours are nothing special.

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Old 21.03.2016, 21:38
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LOL, in the UK physics and chemistry are often taught as 'sciences' to the age of 15
They are now but they weren't when I was at school. We did general science for a couple of years then it was divided into physics, chemistry and biology.
I never used a Bunsen burner in physics but we used them a lot in chemistry, placed on a real asbestos mat in the days before asbestos was banned.
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Old 21.03.2016, 21:46
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Re: Train suicide

Physics - so unladylike. At our school young ladies didn't do physics. The odd female body who wanted to do any form of science or mathematics at Advanced Level had to go over to the BOYS School to join their classes!
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Old 21.03.2016, 21:57
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Physics - so unladylike. At our school young ladies didn't do physics. The odd female body who wanted to do any form of science or mathematics at Advanced Level had to go over to the BOYS School to join their classes!
Wow, goody for you. We were given the option of a typing course, or Uni in my time. All changed since then.

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Old 21.03.2016, 22:02
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And we did hardcore math, physics and chemistry. But I also ended up in a sport stream of Gymnase, with most students who were both sciences and pro hockey players. I still haven't figured out why they stream us few humanities (philo, lang, psy and history) together with stem elite athletes. It was funny during the sci classes but we girls held our own. My family are 90% stem, anyways.
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LOL, in the UK physics and chemistry are often taught as 'sciences' to the age of 15
Not in Scotland they aren't
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Wow, goody for you. We were given the option of a typing course, or Uni in my time...
Goody for you. I was required to take typing or I couldn't graduate. The boys had to take woodworking or autoshop. At least they had two choices.
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Old 21.03.2016, 22:28
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Commies pushed both boys and girls to welding/woodwork, gardening and growing vegetables. Only girls cooked, though. Boys were fed and judged our cooking, lol

We typed as well. But all this was since 6 up to 15. After that it was heavy duty theory sciences, language drills, etc. It changed with revolution. But how packed the primary, middle school and high schools were, pretty much stayed.

I feel US primary and secondary edu gets watered down so it can be later on sold in tertiary edu packages and modules in uni programs. I am glad the packed lower system here somewhat stays.
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There was no distinction between the boys and the girls at my school. We all did the same amount of woodwork, metalwork, cookery and sewing. I preferred the woodwork and metalwork myself.

My son has also done sewing, cookery, woodwork and metalwork here in Switzerland.
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There was no distinction between the boys and the girls at my school. We all did the same amount of woodwork, metalwork, cookery and sewing. I preferred the woodwork and metalwork myself.

My son has also done sewing, cookery, woodwork and metalwork here in Switzerland.


Same in the UK now. No distinction - all do all. As did I, come to think of it!


Sciences - either combined or selected as advanced, discrete, separate sciences- taught until 16 btw, in England and Wales anyway.
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And many seek humor as a form of release. Others rage at the machine.
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Some have asked that jokes not be made on this thread as they feel they are not appropriate. Others have disagreed. Politely. This is not ridicule. This is a disagreement. It rarely happens on the internet, but sometimes, it does...

You claiming offense when none was given only weakens your position.
Sooo got the wrong end of the proverbial stick.

I steered away from this thread because I'm crap at tea and sympathy. Strictly down the vodka and rage at the system train of thought. I took one look at the subject matter and thought "Eek! I'll fetch me coat" *exit stage left* because I know for a fact I could cause offence. Sometimes...just sometimes...I know when to keep me trap shut.

The internet allows us forethought, so there's precious little excuse for belligerence and insensitivity. Different strokes and all that....


Me and my brother both got a slap round the back of the head from our mum during our dad's funeral for getting a fit of the giggles. Luckily, most of the congregation also witnessed the Dave Allen-esque scene taking place at the alter. There was an audible sharp intake of breath, and when we laughed, about 500 others also felt able to laugh. Afterwards, everyone remarked that the scene was exactly my dad's sense of humour, which is quite macabre and a family trait.

Humour in tragedy is a physiological response. We cry laughing and can laugh crying. I just feel there are times when we need to realise our opinion isn't necessarily appropriate.

I'll fetch me coat....
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Yes, it was that way I guess. Found it crazy that I was found top of the year in physics that year as well. Couldn't stand either biology, chemistry nor physics.
Top 3 in every subject throughout school, except for R.E. and German. Oh the irony!

The other two lads in the top three ended up at Oxbridge and I ended up packing bloody crumpets!
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Either euthanasia is right or it is wrong. If it is wrong, it should be illegal. If it is right, then it should be available to anyone who asks for it.
A caveat for those intending to discuss this in German:

The german "Euthanasie" is most heavily ladden in the most negative sense as that's what the Nazi called their killings of "unworthy to live" children and grownups, including the industrialised mass murderers in the KZs. If you ask for support for Euthanasie you'll be considered completely nuts, litererally in need of serious professional help.

Sterbehilfe, on the other hand, has somewhat positive connotation (providing help is hardly ever a bad thing), and appears to be ok for the vast majority of the swiss.

Another very important distinction:
To me the term Euthanasie implies that the killer (word?) is the one to decide whereas with Sterbehilfe the decision is with the person that is to die.
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