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rats and fish... what a way to treat a new kid! As for the link thing, you don't have to click on it if you don't want! Not only do I feel that encapsulated the crux of my post, but it was stumbling upon it that prompted me to sign up and make my first contribution (:

You can pretty much only buy big packets of chips though! Not like those huge multi-packs in the UK. As much as N America (specifically Vancouver) has those unhealthy options, they also have a vast selection of alternatives; I would define a lifestyle as embracing a certain way of living, manifested perhaps in your daily decisions, in this case choosing the 'healthy alternative' of which N America has an abundance - more so than I have found so far in Lausanne.

As for commercialisation, perhaps there is a chicken and egg scenario here - does a business monetise and exploit an emerging social trend, or does a business create a market with a new product? With regards to fitness and healthy living, perhaps it is the trend that drives the commercial activity that surrounds it, which would explain why it is more mature in somewhere like Vancouver where it is more ingrained..
i think that this is a bit reversed. in fact take a trip to the saturday market in lausanne. it is booming with people buying fresh, local produce and other things. this is where the healthy lifestyle is here in lausanne. it's not so much in packaged healthy stuff, but in the fresh stuff most people eat everyday here. exploiting a social trend is fine in a bigger place like vancouver- but it is geared to people who are so far from the healthiest of healthy lifestyles- which, imho, is part of the lifestyle and culture here. people eat things from their area and they cook it all up themselves. there isn't (even if we want to have fun and call lausanne a city) an urban place where we have to rely on things packaged and shipped with labels calling them bio or anything else.

in fact if you want a healthy lifestyle, take a 10 minute walk to the farms in northern lausanne that sell fresh stuff. packages and bottled health is far less healthy than just picked and just squeezed, which is what most people i know do here.

in terms of exercise it is the same. no need to organize too many things because people just have it worked into their schedules to walk to work, run on the weekends or what ever. there are programs like urban bootcamps (as i stated above) but those things don't fill up with many swiss or longer term people because they are already working out or running or hiking or skiing with friends and family.

in fact i think it's a bit twisted to say that vancouver's healthy side is more mature (not sure if i understood that correctly but i'm going with it) but in fact it is, as you say, a trend. here i would say that it is just a part of life. and while comparing the two (as we all compare what we know to what we don't,esp in the beginning) i would suggest trying to look at things a bit different. imo, the general lifestyle here is far more healthy than that of north america- trends included. but if you want to know anything about that feel free to ask

*and as far as the chips being sold in big bags- i think the only time i've seen those are for parties and stuff. these aren't, for many here, everyday snacks. helps to deter buying them for other reasons quite well tho, huh...
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Re: Fitness and health-conscious community

Look, I just wanted to prompt a discussion on healthy living in Switzerland.. Learning about it is exactly what I'm trying to do so not sure what your issue is there.. If this is going to be the tone of the discussion then I'll have to withdraw myself because it's not going anywhere.

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Look, I just wanted to prompt a discussion on healthy living in Switzerland.. Learning about it is exactly what I'm trying to do so not sure what your issue is there.. If this is going to be the tone of the discussion then I'll have to withdraw myself because it's not going anywhere.
It is a discussion but it would appear that the majority of people who have replied seem to disagree with what you are saying.
And some of them have been here a long time.

The rest will respond when they've come back from their runs, bike rides and swims.
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I got back from my swim early!
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Look, I just wanted to prompt a discussion on healthy living in Switzerland.. Learning about it is exactly what I'm trying to do so not sure what your issue is there.. If this is going to be the tone of the discussion then I'll have to withdraw myself because it's not going anywhere.

Thanks to those with the positive and useful contributions!
isn't this what we are doing? perhaps the tone gets a bit lost on the keyboard, but it's just a bit of insight into how things work here- it's different and you asked about it- so i'm giving you a bit of info into as to what the healthy lifestyle is here in lausanne. we've all spent time comparing what we know to what we see but if you'd like to know what there is here, just ask. if you are looking to promote a healthy lifestyle business (not sure but who knows) than this info is equally useful. people have different kinds of healthy lifestyles here, that's all
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It is a discussion but it would appear that the majority of people who have replied seem to disagree with what you are saying.
And some of them have been here a long time.

The rest will respond when they've come back from their runs, bike rides and swims.
and i just ran home from my third yoga class today!

and i'm having a really good glass of red wine
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There is definitely a feeling of health consciousness here. I think the key is a tendency towards moderation. You don't see many people stuffing themselves with super-sized portions or drinks, it's just not in the culture (yet?).

Most of the people I know, Swiss and expat, do some kind of fitness to some degree and they don't drink themselves daft at weekends.

Smoking seems to be one of the main vices left but even that seems to be on the decline in the hundred years I've been marooned here.

Maybe the indulgences and excess of the US and UK will spread across in time but for now, moderation seems to be the over-riding lifestyle choice.
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I got back from my swim early!
I had my run at lunchtime!
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Re: Fitness and health-conscious community

I've just had a quick look and in the town I live in there are thirty-six sports clubs. This is not counting Fitness Studios which are commercial enterprises, just the groups where the committee and the teachers, trainers and coaches work more for the love of sport than for financial gain.
Some of the clubs have teams which take part in competitions of one sort or another, but others have many members who just want to keep themselves fit.

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- does a business monetise and exploit an emerging social trend, or does a business create a market with a new product? With regards to fitness and healthy living, perhaps it is the trend that drives the commercial activity that surrounds it, which would explain why it is more mature in somewhere like Vancouver where it is more ingrained..
This says it all. If you're looking to start a business just say so.

Being a Vancouverite I know it can be easy to get caught up in the hype of self promotion and multi-level marketing of healthy lifestyle products and brands. I know many who made millions on it but also many others who also got burned along the way. As other forum members have said it just doesn't work that way here and they are right.

If you think the commercial activity of health products and brands from/in Vancouver are so much more mature than here I would suggest you take a little more time before making such broad assumptions. Imho, companies like Nestles, Novartis or even companies like Dr.Hauschka Skin Care are much more sophisticated in driving market trends than most companies coming out of the Canadian west coast.
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Seems to me that since OP can't recognize the healthy lifestyle culture here, she assumes it doesn't exist.

I find it refreshing here that people just ARE healthier by nature- they get more exercise, eat better and display more moderation and commonsense than back home.

And they don't wear it on their sleeve and announce it at every opportunity*

When I go back home I am always stunned by how many people see maintaining a healthy lifestyle as a commercial activity rather than an actual way of life. The trappings of "I'm staying healthy, and flaunting it" seem to supersede the actual "staying healthy." The attitude puts me in mind of the yuppies who drive their cars to the waterfront so they can ostentatiously run in their brand name activewear- that it's a demonstration of privilege, not a genuine dedication to health.

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Can I just say how surprised and shocked I am by some of your comments on this post. I am not promoting a business, nobody is asking you to buy anything! Next time I will be sure not to share the dreaded 'link'. Such a shame to find such contempt and negativity from the majority. It was a simple inquiry into the experiences of others and I didn't expect to be berated for my comments on this forum. I guess this really isn't worth my time, thanks but no thanks.
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Alright, all ever-so-hidden advertising aside (because let's be honest here, that first post was just a bit "Go visit that site" with a bit of provocation in there go make us go "Grrr... I'll show them!" and then click your link. Clever.), let's be real here for a minute.

Vancouver has 2.3 million inhabitants. Zürich, being Switzerland's largest city, has 394000 inhabitants. This alone should tell you all about the market here. Basically - and, dear OP, I trust you understand marketing at least somewhat, given your initial post - there just aren't enough people to cater towards. This has nothing to do with culture or fashion or any other thing. This is money. Pure and simple. The Swiss like their money as much as others like making it. There's a bit of a conflict of interest here. Because a shop doesn't just have to sell your novel items of healthiness, but also has to pay rent and wages and taxes and stock and all sorts of stuff. Rent being what it is, this amounts to a lot of money.

Few people + not a lot of spending money = not a big market to cater towards. We have a few Reformhäuser that sell a lot of expensive stuff to people who could really benefit from a Snickers every now and then. And even they struggle. There's a Reformhaus in St. Gallen that has changed its name and owner at least three times over the past five years with idealistic sap following idealistic sap as an owner who might as well eat their money for all the good it does them. Running a healthy food business just isn't a viable business strategy in this country. Pure and simple.

And then there's another thing. Have you actually ever been in a supermarket, OP? Have you actually ever bothered to look at a Migros or a Coop? Because you'll discover an odd thing. The supermarkets actually sell a lot of decent food. In fact, some of the stuff they sell on their shelves is on par with the overpriced healthy stuff form the Reformhaus. Why? Because the Swiss can afford to do that. Migros and Coop work constantly on making their food better and more locally produced - don't get me wrong, this has a business background. If you produce locally, you have to spend less money on shipping it to shelves and less on storage - and even McD's joins in on the fun for the same reasons.

Whatever alternative diet you choose to follow: You can get your stuff at the big Migros and the big Coop. I know this works because I've done it. For years. Lately, the two big companies are breaking into the vegan market and thus, more stuff is labelled vegan and they actually get more articles that are vegan. At the same time, they've added Cronuts to their offer and they're also selling frozen yoghurt.

Granted, talking business again, this isn't a good development for businesses. Reformhäuser will have to be even more expensive to just keep running, competition will get squashed but for consumers, this is great. We get all the outlandish stuff we want to put in our bodies for a decent price.

But yes, let's click OP's link. I bet we'll find enlightenment there.

EDIT: Also, yes, we're horrible people, completely ignorant of your opinion that is, if not completely wrong, very uninformed and a lame attempt at getting people to visit your Facebook anyways. How's about this: Go join a gym. Go run. Go walk. Go bike, hike, climb, swim, kick or whack a ball. Go do something. Get intel before you come and try to tell us how it is here. Some of us have lived here for decades. Some have even turned their life around here. So feel free to be morally outraged. Feel free to think us horrible. But don't try to tell us we're wrong.

Also, I forgot to add: Foodthings are under very strict regulations here. Look them up. Not just the Bio-stuff is insanely healthy and strictly regulated. Everything from meat to cheese to fruit is some of the most healthy stuff you'll find anywhere. All you need to do is eat it.
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Can I just say how surprised and shocked I am by some of your comments on this post. I am not promoting a business, nobody is asking you to buy anything! Next time I will be sure not to share the dreaded 'link'. Such a shame to find such contempt and negativity from the majority. It was a simple inquiry into the experiences of others and I didn't expect to be berated for my comments on this forum. I guess this really isn't worth my time, thanks but no thanks.

You indeed are not promoting a business. The problem is that you see health and fitness as commercial deals. Most people who try to stay healthy and fit here NEVER turn up in a fitness place and never buy "health food" but simply employ common sense in daily life, use weekends for nice walks in the city and around the lake.

And instead of condemning the comments on this forum, you might rather consider them seriously
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I got back from my swim early!
LOVE the swimming here although I'm missing the outdoor pool as the weather has changed now. Still, it means long walks in the snow and it's my son's first time where he's big enough to properly play in it.

You know it's funny because I do, in all fairness, know that any threads with even a small "criticism" of Switzerland tend to bring out some sort of expat loyal madness. But this for me is one situation where I truly feel the OP has got an impression of Switzerland that's so far from the general experience. For all those other complaints I might agree with to some extent, the health consciousness of this country is something my husband and I remark on almost daily.

Everybody is just so darn active and especially with their families. It's really something special. I go to my gym and there are heaps of retired and elderly people working out regularly. Ditto, in fact, at the swimming pool and just walking, running and biking. Last week at the park I saw a family at the adjacent school running around the track. Each parent had a kid beside them and I'd guess the youngest was around six.

People here don't spend much time talking about being healthy - I think that's the crux. In Vancouver, if someone eats a salad, you'll hear about how great they feel and how clear their skin is for the next week.
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Everybody is just so darn active and especially with their families. It's really annoying.
FTFY

As others have said, there is a tendency towards a more active lifestyle here, I am not sure if that necessarily equates to healthy but it would seem so to my untrained, flabby eyes.

I wonder how many times the OP is going to tell us that they are not looking at the thread any more?
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Most of the Swiss I know are very fit and healthy.
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No wonder. They are actively pursuing people to get them into their churches.
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Looking at things in the cold light of morning, I do feel a wee bit sorry for the poor OP. Bad luck to find so many EFers online who see the situation in Switzerland so differently - and really, really bad luck to actually find folk on here who know the 'health and fitness situation' in Vancouver too. Takes the wind out of her sails a little.

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A cautionary tale about EF, as told by cats

OP: I'm new here, from Vancouver and I love cats. Vancouver has such great cats all over, and such good cat options, but I don't see them here. Switzerland is a great place that could love cats, but doesn't. Why is that? Oh by the way, I coincidentally found this website that happens to talk about cats in Switzerland!

http://www.lausanne-switzerland.wtra...ty-Persian-cat

EF: That's just Persian cats. Switzerland loves cats too. We have many, all over, just look for them. They're a little different than cats in Vancouver.

OP: No they aren't. Cats look like this and I don't see them here!



EF: That's a Persian. We have other breeds.



OP: Those aren't cats! I know cats and those aren't it. Only cats that look like this are real cats, the rest are just furry Swiss pretenders! And why are you being so mean to me?



EF: That's still just a Persian. Why are you so obsessed with your one breed? There's so many options for cats out there! Look, here's a cat in Switzerland!



OP: You're just all big meanies who don't know anything about cats. I'm going home because you don't welcome my discussion.

EF: We welcome your discussion, but it's not our fault you're wrong.



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Very good work

I've lost around a stone since i moved here from Ireland, not consciously eating less or dieting, just as a result of a generally less fast food environment and a lot more possibilities to be active. Its nearly hard not to stay fit here, I now road bike in summer, ski in winter and play racket sports all year around (go me).

I may drop dead of a fondu induced heart attack at 55, but I'll die fit....
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