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I have no idea what a Woodbine is, so I can't assess that statement. did the grandfather start smoking at birth? However, smoking is dangerous and can shorten lives.
It's an unfiltered cigarette.

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Wha? I don't know what you're comparing it with, but in my view the Swiss don't drink very much beer at all.
I'm not British obviously. You guys average 13.37 liters of alcohol per person per year. US: 9.44 liters per year. CH: 11.06.

So, the Swiss drink more booze than I'm used to and less than you are. Make sense now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ol_consumption
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Big mac alone: 550 calories.
Do people eat them on their own? I thought most people eat them with fries and a bucket coke?

I once saw someone eat six in one go.

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Also, I'd like to see a source for the claim that big macs are "frequently eaten as a snack."
I read it somewhere but I don't have the source.

I do know that Fast Food restaurants, in an effort to push more sales, are using the word "snack" very frequently in their literature these days to convince people to eat between meals.
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I'm not British obviously. You guys average 13.37 liters of alcohol per person per year
That can't be right - isn't that a weekly figure?
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I'm not British obviously. You guys average 13.37 liters of alcohol per person per year. US: 9.44 liters per year. CH: 11.06.

So, the Swiss drink more booze than I'm used to and less than you are. Make sense now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ol_consumption
And beer is 5 lites UK, 4.5 US, 3 CH (rounding). But wine, the Swiss drink the most at 5liters , US and UK both around 3.5, i think.

And of course it's an average, so some people might well drink that per week or month.
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That can't be right - isn't that a weekly figure?
It's alcohol total. The beer/wine splits are all different again. The UK and the US drink about the same amount of beer with the Swiss drinking less (understandable ) but there's more wine consumed by the Swiss by a country mile (5.30 in CH vs 1.36 in US).

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It's alcohol total. The beer/wine splits are all different again. The UK and the US drink about the same amount of beer with the Swiss drinking less (understandable ) but there's more wine consumed by the Swiss by a country mile (5.30 in CH vs 1.36 in US).
I was trying to be humourous.
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I don't get that feeling. I don't see the Swiss consuming stuff to excess, which I think makes the difference with some of the chubbier nations. Yes, you can eat all of those things - sausage, cheese, beer and wine but the average person here isn't at the junk food trough all day every day. Plus their alcohol consumption is embarrassing. I feel like a proper lush by comparison...

I consume all of those things but not often, plus I'm fairly active so I'm a normal weight.

If I pop into a Migros take away at lunch time, the place is packed out with people buying salads or a wholemeal sandwich.

The only real "snacking" I see is when it's someone's birthday and they bring in a load of gipfeli or some other baked goods into the office. Otherwise it's you and the coffee machine till lunchtime.

Even the smoking seems to be on the decline here. 10 years ago the levels of smoking shocked me but now it seems less and less, especially since they've stopped people smoking in restaurants, etc.
If you want to see folks consuming sausage and beer in mind-numbing amounts, go to the Zurich zoo on a Saturday And if I drop by the Coop around lunchtime, it's full of teenagers buying bags of chips (crisps for you Brits out there) and red bull.

I agree that the snacking is a big issue in parts of the US, though the whole apero culture (at least at my work) provides plenty of that. Also, Znüni?

Smoking is on the decline, which is a good thing, but a higher percentage of people smoke here (20% in CH vs. 16% in the US as of 2009, the last year for which the OECD published CH statistics) and they smoke more (1028 per adult in the US vs. 1722 in CH)

http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/49105858.pdf
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And beer is 5 lites UK, 4.5 US, 3 CH (rounding). But wine, the Swiss drink the most at 5liters , US and UK both around 3.5, i think.

And of course it's an average, so some people might well drink that per week or month.
Okay, that's fair. The Swiss drink more wine. Let's just say the Swiss drink more booze. As for the beer, perhaps this explains it: of the 50 states, the state I moved from (California) ranked number 44 of 50 for beer consumption by state. Unfortunately, the source doesn't give units, so I can't directly compare.

http://www.beerinstitute.org/assets/...n_By_State.pdf
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Old 24.09.2013, 11:42
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Do people eat them on their own? I thought most people eat them with fries and a bucket coke?

I once saw someone eat six in one go.



I read it somewhere but I don't have the source.

I do know that Fast Food restaurants, in an effort to push more sales, are using the word "snack" very frequently in their literature these days to convince people to eat between meals.
Okay, you saw it once. That's hardly statistically significant.

I haven't been to a McDonalds since 2000, so I don't know how people usually eat, but you're referring to the famous Supersized meal.

As for the snack thing, I find it hard to believe that an entire country is frequently eating a big mac (let alone the whole meal) as a snack. Perhaps you're confusing the big mac meal with the big mac snack wrap (at 330 calories, not a good choice, but hardly the 1500+ you were suggesting).
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Old 24.09.2013, 11:47
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Re: Fitness and health-conscious community

It seems to me that the Swiss are more physically active than the populations of most other Western countries, but there's nothing magical about their diet.

The women for sure would be a lot fatter if they stopped taking appetite suppressants throughout the day (they call it "smoking").
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Did those numbers include the suburbs? Considering the demographics of the city and the relative scales, it would be a better comparison of province to canton, rather than city to city.

"even in slightly slimmer B.C., the number of obese people rose more than 25 per cent between 2000 and 2011, according to data collected by the Canadian Community Health Survey.One in four British Columbians is obese.
The CCHS uses self-reported information on height and weight collected from Canadians age 18 and over to calculate Body Mass Index, a widely accepted measure for healthy weight. "

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Of course they do. The comparison I made was to the UK, which as far as I know is a different country than Canada.

The study I cited did not include suburbs, as the study was looking at fast food availability per person (it's in the link). Also, I totally disagree that province to kanton is a reasonable comparison, given the wealth disparity between rural and urban areas in Canada and the US as compared to Switzerland.
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Old 24.09.2013, 11:50
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As for the snack thing, I find it hard to believe that an entire country is frequently eating a big mac (let alone the whole meal) as a snack. Perhaps you're confusing the big mac meal with the big mac snack wrap (at 330 calories, not a good choice, but hardly the 1500+ you were suggesting).
It's obviously not the whole country but a lot of people in the U.S. see fast food as a snack, or an extra meal.

That "wrap" thing is one of the items introduced to try and get people to eat more between meals - and has about the same amount of calories as a bratwurst.

Taco Bell's doing it too:



Although not particularly subtly.
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Of course they do. The comparison I made was to the UK, which as far as I know is a different country than Canada.

The study I cited did not include suburbs, as the study was looking at fast food availability per person (it's in the link). Also, I totally disagree that province to kanton is a reasonable comparison, given the wealth disparity between rural and urban areas in Canada and the US as compared to Switzerland.
The point about self-reporting had to do with reliability of the results, since you pointed out that the Swiss self-reported too and as such the obesity numbers were likely to be higher.

Also, the reason I mentioned the suburbs had to do with the Vancouver proper/Greater Vancouver issue- the actual city (as defined by the boundaries) is considerably smaller than the functional city (as defined by the urban planners) and because it's such an expensive city, the residents of the legal city are not a representative sample of the functional city.
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It's obviously not the whole country but a lot of people in the U.S. see fast food as a snack, or an extra meal.

That "wrap" thing is one of the items introduced to try and get people to eat more between meals - and has about the same amount of calories as a bratwurst.

Taco Bell's doing it too:



Although not particularly subtly.
Let's not take advertising too seriously, shall we?
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Since the office has just decided that it's lunchtime now, a quick pop quiz of an office of 7 (mainly Swiss) people is...

Two heated up leftovers from what looks like last night's dinner (meat, veg pasta kind of stuff).

Three salads have come back from Coop, two with a bread roll each, one with a tub of potato salad.

The two trainees are taking a late lunch to go running then (I suspect) will drop into McD's on the way back. Both are skinny-winnies and don't smoke and one doesn't drink.

In fact, nobody in the office smokes apart from the Danish lady on the floor below us.

That's my anecdotal snapshot of Switzerland today...
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Look folks, I'm certainly not saying that the US or Canada is doing anything better overall than Switzerland. After all, we know that Americans are fatty fatty and we're super pi**sed that now we're only the second fattest nation on earth. (Time to conquer Mexico!).

I am saying that if you come from certain small pockets of these two countries, some of the Swiss attitudes seem rather unhealthy. I'm also saying that the caricature of the fatty fatty Americans is as blunt as the caricature of the slow-talking Swiss farmer. Yes, both exist. No, the caricature doesn't describe everyone.

I'm all for a good argument, but the whole tone here seems to be veering toward the Swiss being completely irreproachable, which is just plain nonsense. Come on y'all, surely you all have more sense that that? Or just send on the cat gifs.
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Since the office has just decided that it's lunchtime now, a quick pop quiz of an office of 7 (mainly Swiss) people is...

Two heated up leftovers from what looks like last night's dinner (meat, veg pasta kind of stuff).

Three salads have come back from Coop, two with a bread roll each, one with a tub of potato salad.

The two trainees are taking a late lunch to go running then (I suspect) will drop into McD's on the way back. Both are skinny-winnies and don't smoke and one doesn't drink.

In fact, nobody in the office smokes apart from the Danish lady on the floor below us.

That's my anecdotal snapshot of Switzerland today...
When I was working in the US, this would have been pretty representative of my group as well. Except for the McDonalds. Nobody ever ate there.
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The point about self-reporting had to do with reliability of the results, since you pointed out that the Swiss self-reported too and as such the obesity numbers were likely to be higher.

Also, the reason I mentioned the suburbs had to do with the Vancouver proper/Greater Vancouver issue- the actual city (as defined by the boundaries) is considerably smaller than the functional city (as defined by the urban planners) and because it's such an expensive city, the residents of the legal city are not a representative sample of the functional city.
No, no, no.

From my post, I specifically said that the numbers for CH were measured (the explanation was due to the fact that the reported numbers of around 15% were far higher than the country average by self-reporting of 8%).
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Or, you could argue that the obsessing over the minutae of your diet and exercise regime which seems to be endemic in pockets of Canada and the US is a cult like fashion, bordering on OCD....
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