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Or, you could argue that the obsessing over the minutae of your diet and exercise regime which seems to be endemic in pockets of Canada and the US is a cult like fashion, bordering on OCD....
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No, no, no.

From my post, I specifically said that the numbers for CH were measured (the explanation was due to the fact that the reported numbers of around 15% were far higher than the country average by self-reporting of 8%).
And I'm saying that the Canadian numbers are self-reported and therefore likely to be higher, just like you say for Switzerland (reporting 8%, actual 15%)

Also, I don't believe the demographic sample structure is accurate. By going to the borders of Vancouver you AREN'T getting a reasonable sample of Greater Vancouver, which is the urban area for comparison.

It's like taking the demographics of the City of London, and saying it represents London.

[edit] Greater Vancouver has a population of almost 2.5 mil. Vancouver has just over 500k

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And, as a cultural indicator of the importance of fast food to the north american diet, please see this thread... Burger in Zurich

Pretty funny that its on page 1...
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And I'm saying that the Canadian numbers are self-reported and therefore likely to be higher, just like you say for Switzerland (reporting 8%, actual 15%)

Also, I don't believe the demographic sample structure is accurate. By going to the borders of Vancouver you AREN'T getting a reasonable sample of Greater Vancouver, which is the urban area for comparison.

It's like taking the demographics of the City of London, and saying it represents London.

[edit] Greater Vancouver has a population of almost 2.5 mil. Vancouver has just over 500k
As previously mentioned, I don't know for this study whether numbers were measured or reported in the Canadian study. Also, since I cant find the original study, I don't know for sure what they meant by city.

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That's a bit narrow, data-wise, however:

Switzerland looks to be about 7%, Canada closer to 18%.

Yes but Vancouver is special, otherwise known as Lotus land to the average Canadian.
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As previously mentioned, I don't know for this study whether numbers were measured or reported in the Canadian study. Also, since I cant find the original study, I don't know for sure what they meant by city.

The lead author is Sean Cash from University of Alberta. Have fun!
It's looking like reported (I'm digging on a link)

Did find this though, which is interesting re: the correlation of fast food with obesity.

"When [the writer asked Dr. Cash] what to make of the study this was his quote,
"I wouldn't say our study proves anything"
You see, some cities with high densities of fast food outlets had low rates of obesity and some cities with low densities of fast food outlets had high rates of obesity. Moreover there are literally dozens if not hundreds of other variables that may have influenced the results and even if the relationship was solid, it doesn't answer the question of chicken or egg.

More as it turns out.

[Study is also out of date by 6 years]
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It's looking like reported (I'm digging on a link)

Did find this though, which is interesting re: the correlation of fast food with obesity.

"When [the writer asked Dr. Cash] what to make of the study this was his quote,
"I wouldn't say our study proves anything"
You see, some cities with high densities of fast food outlets had low rates of obesity and some cities with low densities of fast food outlets had high rates of obesity. Moreover there are literally dozens if not hundreds of other variables that may have influenced the results and even if the relationship was solid, it doesn't answer the question of chicken or egg.

More as it turns out.

[Study is also out of date by 6 years]
Thanks-I got pretty frustrated trying to track down the study.

Also, to possibly improve the self-reported vs. measured issue (as well as other biases), someone suggested that I look at the numbers for children in Switzerland vs. other countries, as these are generally measured (kids are not trustworthy) and often done at school (so no bias towards the less healthy). Sounds like a project.
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And, as a cultural indicator of the importance of fast food to the north american diet, please see this thread... Burger in Zurich

Pretty funny that its on page 1...
Did you actually read the thread?
Kobe beef burger, the Park Hyatt, and some diners around Geneva and Zurich. The only mention of fast food is to make fun of it.

Gourmet burger =/= fast food.
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Kobe beef burger, the Park Hyatt, and some diners around Geneva and Zurich. The only mention of fast food is to make fun of it.

Gourmet burger =/= fast food.
It's interesting, though, as a reflection of the society, that something as mundane as a hot reconstituted beef sandwich has gained such a high place in the American food culture.

To me, the very idea of a 'gourmet burger' is risible, a contradiction in terms, if you like. Yes, they can be quite nice at times, but let's not confuse them with real food, eh?

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It's interesting, though, as a reflection of the society, that something as mundane as a hot reconstituted beef sandwich has gained such a high place in the American food culture.

To me, the very idea of a 'gourmet burger' is risible, a contradiction in terms, if you like. Yes, they can be quite nice at times, but let's not confuse them with real food, eh?

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No more interesting than the Cervelat or Hornli mit Hackfleisch. No more mundane than plate of hot, pan fried potatoes (aka Rösti). And, like fondue, a burger can be made from a cheap, premixed substance or handmade with expensive, artisan ingredients.

I would consider all of these foods more or less as real as a burger.

Tell me about lunchables, fat free frozen yogurt, or froot loops, and you'll have a point.
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No more interesting than the Cervelat or Hornli mit Hackfleisch. No more mundane than plate of hot, pan fried potatoes (aka Rösti).
Do any of those get elevated to 'gourmet' status in the same way? Can you imagine gangs of Swiss people in New York complaining that they can't get a decent Rosti anywhere?

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Tell me about lunchables, ... , or froot loops, and you'll have a point.
I don't even know what those two are. Thankfully.
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Do any of those get elevated to 'gourmet' status in the same way? Can you imagine gangs of Swiss people in New York complaining that they can't get a decent Rosti anywhere?
Yes, I could. For a related example, look at this poor sod's lament about the quality of American poutine.

Mmmm poutine. Montreal in T-2 weeks for me.

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Do any of those get elevated to 'gourmet' status in the same way? Can you imagine gangs of Swiss people in New York complaining that they can't get a decent Rosti anywhere?


I don't even know what those two are. Thankfully.

Gourmet? Sure, rösti has been served in high end restaurants for ages now both in Switzerland and abroad (though usually with steak). Argentinian Chef Francis Mallman is one champion. Fondue lovers will get into heated arguments about the correct cheeses and would certainly argue that their favorite dish is gourmet (and has nothing in common with that Gerber stuff they sell in the grocery store).

As for those with Swiss ties complaining about Swiss food in NYC...I don't need to imagine...I just need to look at reviews of Swiss restaurants in New York.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/heidi-swiss-restaurant-new-york

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I used to live in California, and was certainly shocked by the amount of sausage, beer, wine and cheese consumed here. Oh, and the cigarettes. Ugh. And the general apathy about working out (you run five days a week? Why?) Still, now it's been six years and I am convinced that, yes, the Swiss are relatively healthy (though how remains a mystery )
Umm, it's because of the sausage, beer, wine and cheese consumed here.

Oh, and the cigarettes.

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The amount of sausage and beer still shocks me, to be honest.
You've never been to Germany, have you?

And around here, we normally have wine with our meals (though usually not for breakfast).

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Did you actually read the thread?
Kobe beef burger, the Park Hyatt, and some diners around Geneva and Zurich. The only mention of fast food is to make fun of it.

Gourmet burger =/= fast food.
Yes, the first post was a displaced American, worried not about whether or not they can make noise or shop on a Sunday, but worried about whether they could get a good burger. That was item number 1 on the list of things to worry about.
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It's interesting, though, as a reflection of the society, that something as mundane as a hot reconstituted beef sandwich has gained such a high place in the American food culture.

To me, the very idea of a 'gourmet burger' is risible, a contradiction in terms, if you like. Yes, they can be quite nice at times, but let's not confuse them with real food, eh?
Of course you can get Gourmet burgers as well as gourmet fish and chips.

I'd say a U.S. burger is on par with British fish and chips and a Heston Blumenthal chip is very different to a Tesco Oven chip but they're still both chips.
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Yes, the first post was a displaced American, worried not about whether or not they can make noise or shop on a Sunday, but worried about whether they could get a good burger. That was item number 1 on the list of things to worry about.
No, that was number 1 on the list of things to ask the EF. Worry =/= EF questions. She had probably already figured out the shopping issue and, as an au pair, may possibly have been told about noise rules.

Come on. That's like saying your biggest "worry" is ping pong.

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No, that was number 1 on the list of things to ask the EF. Worry =/= EF questions. She had probably already figured out the shopping issue and, as an au pair, may possibly have been told about noise rules.

Come on. That's like saying your biggest "worry" is ping pong.
But my biggest worry is ping pong....soon to be displaced by worrying about snow
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Gourmet? Sure, rösti has been served in high end restaurants for ages now both in Switzerland and abroad (though usually with steak). Argentinian Chef Francis Mallman is one champion. Fondue lovers will get into heated arguments about the correct cheeses and would certainly argue that their favorite dish is gourmet (and has nothing in common with that Gerber stuff they sell in the grocery store).

As for those with Swiss ties complaining about Swiss food in NYC...I don't need to imagine...I just need to look at reviews of Swiss restaurants in New York.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/heidi-swiss-restaurant-new-york

Come on, Ace1. People like a taste of home.
If I recall correctly there was a great Rosti restaurant on Queen Street in Toronto for a number of years, I have no idea if it's still operating? If that wasn't Swiss enough we could always move over to the cozy "3 Small Rooms" restaurant at the Windsor Arms for a great Fondu. That's what was so great about the restaurants there, so many choices and any natural born Swiss could feel quite at home.
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