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Re: The First World Problem Thread

Not being able to say what youmean or be brutally honest at the fear offending someone or something in this overly sensitive PC 21 century.
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Not being able to say what youmean or be brutally honest at the fear offending someone or something in this overly sensitive PC 21 century.
Yeah, but I've found most people who are "brutally" honest, don't actually need the "brutally" bit but use it anyway because a) they lack the intelligence to be tactful or b) they revel in brutality.

Nothing to do with "PC", just common, old fashioned decency and respect.



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First world problem of the day: "The first world problem thread isn't funny any more..."
we ran out of first world problems. now we really should get a life
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Old 01.09.2016, 10:40
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I had to get out a ladder and change the landing lightbulb, which I only changed three years ago. I tell you a man's work is never done.
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Re: The First World Problem Thread

I'm not sure whether or not to pronounce my name the way it should be, or to go with the 'Swissified' way of pronunciation (what the receptionists at the doctors office come up with).

Actually this is a real problem. Should I just say it the Swiss way?
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Old 01.09.2016, 16:23
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I'm not sure whether or not to pronounce my name the way it should be, or to go with the 'Swissified' way of pronunciation (what the receptionists at the doctors office come up with).

Actually this is a real problem. Should I just say it the Swiss way?
It's your name, pronounce it the way it should be.

I've had Swiss people "correct" me on the pronunciation of my name. I usually just stare at them and clench my cigar a bit. Nobody has ever done it twice.
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It's your name, pronounce it the way it should be.

I've had Swiss people "correct" me on the pronunciation of my name. I usually just stare at them and clench my cigar a bit. Nobody has ever done it twice.
Good point. When I'm in my home country, sometimes people will pronounce their names they way they're supposed to be (example in Spanish accent: Maria de Castillia Hernandez Gonzalez) and it's a bit weird.

Just making sure I'm not breaking some sort of social rule.
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Old 01.09.2016, 16:34
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Re: The First World Problem Thread

Both my first name and last name get pronounced in a changed, local way. If I pronounce it correctly to people, they have no idea who I am since it sounds so different. If I pronounce it "local" way, they immediately know and can also quickly imagine the correct spelling.

I think it depends on how much time one has to sort out logical misunderstanding.

I did read a bunch of research on identity, names, phonetics and psychological impact on people who are very mobile or migrants. The research advises for boosting tolerance and respect for those who insist on "authentic", original pronunciation of their names. I do that with my students, makes a difference.

In a country with high percentage of foreigners, if you insist on your habitual pronunciation, people will understand.
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Old 01.09.2016, 16:39
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Good point. When I'm in my home country, sometimes people will pronounce their names they way they're supposed to be (example in Spanish accent: Maria de Castillia Hernandez Gonzalez) and it's a bit weird.

Just making sure I'm not breaking some sort of social rule.
Properly pronounced, my name ends with a very Swiss "ch". The "correction" has always been to pronounce the g and the h seperately, which is a real headbender phonetically. You may have different results with the lisping, but it is still your name. I'm guessing you find the forms where you have to write your name here too narrow.
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Old 01.09.2016, 16:44
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Both my first name and last name get pronounced in a changed, to the local way. If I pronounce it correctly to people, they have no idea who I am since it sounds so different. If I pronounce it "local" way, they immediately know and can also quickly imagine the correct spelling.

I think it depends on how much time one has to sort out logical misunderstanding.

I did read a bunch of research on identity, names, phonetics and psychological impact on people who are very mobile or migrants. The research advises for boosting tolerance and respect for those who insist on "authentic", original pronunciation of their names. I do that with my students, makes a difference.
My surname isn't English originally but the pronounciation is "officially" Anglified because my grandfather gave up on trying to teach people how to prounce it properly.

I thus feel I don't really have much of a leg to stand on when I tell the Swiss to pronounce it the English way. They are merely exchanging one mispronounciation for another.

Furthermore, I do speak German with an awkward accent, but most Swiss don't immediately think I'm English. Many actually think I'm German, whereas in Germany people think I'm either Swiss or Dutch. When I tell them I'm English they do attempt to pronounce my name more the English way.

But I don't generally correct them. I find it amusing.
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Old 01.09.2016, 16:49
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Re: The First World Problem Thread

It's impossible for me when in UK - people always call me by my surname (thinking it's my first name). Have given up correcting them - if I had a cigar I would clench on it I'm sure.

Here in CH it's perfect.
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My surname isn't English originally but the pronounciation is "officially" Anglified because my grandfather gave up on trying to teach people how to prounce it properly.

I thus feel I don't really have much of a leg to stand on when I tell the Swiss to pronounce it the English way. They are merely exchanging one mispronounciation for another.

Furthermore, I do speak German with an awkward accent, but most Swiss don't immediately think I'm English. Many actually think I'm German, whereas in Germany people think I'm either Swiss or Dutch. When I tell them I'm English they do attempt to pronounce my name more the English way.

But I don't generally correct them. I find it amusing.
István, is that you?

Anytime I am in the US I find a lot of Czech names rewritten (even 1st names) to reflect the real authentic pronunciation. People changed it to not have their names massacred. They find the closest match. It is a funny, decoding process, for somebody from the "old country". I think I prefer to keep names spelled authentically (to record origine more accurately) but pronounced however it works for anyone. Políčko <- Pohleechko. Jiří <- Yirzi
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Re: The First World Problem Thread

It's when people change your name to "Oi!" you have to worry (and possibly start running...)

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It's when people change your name to "Oi!" you have to worry (and possibly start running...)

Not for Ken Oye, but otherwise, yes.
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Old 01.09.2016, 17:02
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Not for Ken Oye, but otherwise, yes.
God, he must be a bag of nerves.
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God, he must be a bag of nerves.
I sat next to him on a long flight a while back. The most interesting conversation I have ever had on an aircraft. Anything other than a bag of nerves.
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Re: The First World Problem Thread

My maiden name is a very typical French name with lots of none pronounced silent letters that confused the hell of anyone whom isn't French.

So I use my husband's name.
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Old 01.09.2016, 18:26
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My married name is very Swiss-German, but not common. People here are always adding extra letters and thinking it's the other, more common name that is similar.

My OH pronounces the name differently depending on where we are, just to keep things simple. The South Africans get it in proper SG without any hassle and spell and pronounce it right. But it's easier for us to mispronounce it to just about everyone else, particularly the French, if we want anything spelled right.

With respect to old-school names in the U.S. being changed, a lot of it has to do with the accents. There's no č in English, so there's no way to accurately record the name. You leave out the accent it becomes "Policko" (which can mean a hard time for a child) or you do your best to include the sound with a ch instead.

Even the Germans get warped. A friend of mine has the surname Müller, which was changed to Mueller, and is now butchered by being pronounced "mew-ler". Drives her crazy.

Oh where were we? FWP. I still cannot manage to keep an orchid alive for more than a month.
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I have now listened to all the old Car Talk shows, but because one of the brothers died in 2014, they'll never record new ones
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Those are fun. Which one was it, the skunk on exhaust one?

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