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Does anyone have a personal migraine success story? I know general advice, but I'm asking if anyone has personal experience with a therapy or a dietary change or an anything that worked?

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Re: migraine?

Hi peebix,

I guess it depends on what you mean by success. For me, it still means some migraines, but fewer than before, less severe, and generally lasting hours instead of days. What would you define as success for you? Has your doctor suggested anything specific we might be able to share our experiences with (i.e. triggers, medications)?

Here is a thread that may contain some helpful info as well.

Migraines - may they be cursed forever ! ! !

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Does anyone have a personal migraine success story? I know general advice, but I'm asking if anyone has personal experience with a therapy or a dietary change or an anything that worked?

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Take DAFALGAN pills and drink COLA of whatever brand [Paracetamol]. Dafalgan in France for ages was available as DOLIPRANE, but not here around. Now Dafalgan is available everywhere, and clearly better than the TREUPEL (which is however also effective). Forget "Aspriin" which is a non-effective mix of sugar and sand


A quite personal thing was when I got "Schnupfen" (cold and could hardly breathe) when in Paris in a hotel near the opera. It was hot summer and I went down to the 24hrs cafe. Three nice girls, as it turned out from Poland, told me that the Vodka I had just ordered was good but that I should get some DOLIPRANE in the 24hrs pharmacy right there. Some Doliprane/Dafalgan and two glasses of Vodka and a nice chat later I could go up again and sleep well. I for many years once or twice per year went to Mülhausen with the prime intention to buy a package of Doliprane.

Some years ago a young CostaRican who studied medicine in Lausanne told me per an internet-forum
that Dafalgan was the new thing [Paracetamol in a new package/brand ] -- a good piece of info

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Migraine specific medication from the doctor. Physio/Osteo/Chiropractic-therapy and massage on neck and shoulder area.
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Re: migraine?

I used get them pretty regularly, and my major triggers were stress, dehydration and generally a crappy student diet. I'd spend entire days in a dark bedroom with the sheets pulled over my head and had to go in to the health center several times for an injection of pain relievers to allow me finish my exams.

A journal of foods eaten can help identify those that cause problems, though I had more issues with eating irregularly than anything specific (besides, who wants to give up chocolate or red wine?). If you are female, low dose birth control can help with cyclical migraines.

There is a great over the counter medicine in the US called excedrin-which turns out to be 130 mg caffiene, 500 mg paracetamol and 500 mg aspirin per dose (which is 2 pills). I was completely skeptical when told by a doctor to try this, since I normally take ibuprofen, but it worked very well for me. According to the doctor that suggested it, it works for most people, and its faster and far cheaper than prescription migraine meds. Paracetamol and aspirin are in every pharmacy here, and the caffeine can be gotten either in the form of coffee or in Germany, apparently. I still bring mine from the US and take it at the first twinge of migraine pain. I haven't been laid low by a migraine for years, except when pregnant and unable to take this combination or when I've forgotten to bring it along.
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I used get them pretty regularly, and my major triggers were stress, dehydration and generally a crappy student diet. I'd spend entire days in a dark bedroom with the sheets pulled over my head and had to go in to the health center several times for an injection of pain relievers to allow me finish my exams.

A journal of foods eaten can help identify those that cause problems, though I had more issues with eating irregularly than anything specific (besides, who wants to give up chocolate or red wine?). If you are female, low dose birth control can help with cyclical migraines.

There is a great over the counter medicine in the US called excedrin-which turns out to be 130 mg caffiene, 500 mg paracetamol and 500 mg aspirin per dose which is 2 pills). I was completely skeptical when told by a doctor to try this, since I normally take ibuprofen, but it worked very well for me. According to the doctor that suggested it, it works for most people, and its faster and far cheaper than prescription migraine meds. Paracetamol and aspirin are in every pharmacy here, and the caffeine can be gotten either in the form of coffee or in Germany, apparently. I still bring mine from the US and take it at the first twinge of migraine pain. I haven't been laid low by a migraine for years, except when pregnant and unable to take this combination or when I've forgotten to bring it along.
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Re: migraine?

Until I was prescribed sumatriptan in the UK about 8 years ago, onset of migraine meant that I could not function; I had visual disturbance for about an hour and then enormous pain which necessitated lying down in a darkened room for hours. You don't need a doctor's prescription for this stuff in the UK, not sure about here (thankfully I rarely need these tablets so have never had to buy in Switzerland) but a branded variety is Glaxo Smith Kline's Imigran.

With sumatriptan, the visual disturbance is cut down to about 15min - I take 2 immediately it begins - and an hour or so's sleep means I just then have a bad headache which can be controlled with paracetamol.

I try not to become dehydrated, or be dazzled by bright light, as either of these can kick it off. Happily I can guzzle chocolate and red wine and cheese (sometimes all at the same meal ) and have no ill effects at all.

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Forget "Aspriin" which is a non-effective mix of sugar and sand
Actually, it's ground up tree bark, and its generally thought to be a useful drug.
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Until I was prescribed sumatriptan in the UK about 8 years ago, onset of migraine meant that I could not function; I had visual disturbance for about an hour and then enormous pain which necessitated lying down in a darkened room for hours. You don't need a doctor's prescription for this stuff in the UK, not sure about here (thankfully I rarely need these tablets so have never had to buy in Switzerland) but a branded variety is Glaxo Smith Kline's Imigran.

With sumatriptan, the visual disturbance is cut down to about 15min - I take 2 immediately it begins - and an hour or so's sleep means I just then have a bad headache which can be controlled with paracetamol.

I try not to become dehydrated, or be dazzled by bright light, as either of these can kick it off. Happily I can guzzle chocolate and red wine and cheese (sometimes all at the same meal ) and have no ill effects at all.

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Curious- have you ever gotten the visual aura with no pain after? I had this once (and was pregnant, last trimester, so no blood thinning drugs or prescription migraine meds allowed) and it totally freaked me out.
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Curious- have you ever gotten the visual aura with no pain after?
That's what I get but feel a bit of a fraud saying I get migraine seeing as "true" migraine sufferers complain of being knocked out for a couple of days in pain, vomiting and unable to stand the light.

For me it's literally 55 mins (I've timed it and it's always the same) of an ever increasing aura which peaks at 40 mins then takes 15 mins to diminish to nothing.

Then I'm left with a vague headache and a bit confused and dim-witted until I've had a night's sleep then I'm back to normal.

I guess I get off lightly.
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Curious- have you ever gotten the visual aura with no pain after? I had this once (and was pregnant, last trimester, so no blood thinning drugs or prescription migraine meds allowed) and it totally freaked me out.
No, I have not, and I can see why it would be weird! The highly coloured, flashing lights that I see resemble that mobile phone game Snake, which is also disturbing....

I should also say about sumatriptans, that they are not recommended for those over 70 years of age, which was truly a disaster for my father who suffers regularly. I don't want to think about what I will do then.

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That's what I get but feel a bit of a fraud saying I get migraine seeing as "true" migraine sufferers complain of being knocked out for a couple of days in pain, vomiting and unable to stand the light.

For me it's literally 55 mins (I've timed it and it's always the same) of an ever increasing aura which peaks at 40 mins then takes 15 mins to diminish to nothing.

Then I'm left with a vague headache and a bit confused and dim-witted until I've had a night's sleep then I'm back to normal.

I guess I get off lightly.
Mine are horrendous, but yet last only hours, not days. But some times that happens day after day, not cool. Guess they are all different.
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Actually, it's ground up tree bark, and its generally thought to be a useful drug.
Bayer Leverkusen has a PR budget which rivals the total of many countries on the planet
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Yes, and Johnson and Johnson, makers of paracetamol in the US market, is a charity foundation.

For those who use it, you should know that paracetamol (dafalgan) is one of the most common causes of poisoning worldwide and is the leading cause of acute liver failure in the US and UK. The danger comes mainly from how similar the theraputic and toxic doses ( it is about 2.5 fold). For this reason, overdosing in children is an especially large concern.

Oh, and I was hospitalized for three days during my last pregnancy, due to a migraine that was affecting the fetal heart rate enough to consider emergency cesarian delivery, for which I signed release forms. The only drug I could be given was paracetamol. It did...nothing. For three days.
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Re: migraine?

Similar experience to above. I get aura migraines, and paracetamol taken with the first sign of symptoms usually tones down the subsequent headache. Once the headache hits, nothing works.

I also had what appeared to bea. Very nasty stress-induced migraine...I was vomiting into a bin behind the registration desk for a very big conference....went home and slept it off, and 10 days later developed vertigo. Nasty. Ended up rehydrated on a drip, and brain scans, MRI...

Point is, migraines should be a last diagnosis.

Oh, and I rarely get them when pregnant or on contraceptives which stop the normal cycle.

Apart for the visual disturbance, numbness, tingling and headache, I have also had speech disturbance and motor disturbance when I was at the peak of stress in my final year of university...I met someone whose wife could not speak for a period of time, due to migraine....very scary...
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Re: migraine?

I suffered with migraines from my 20s through my 40s, but thankfully around 10 years ago the frequency decreased significantly - they are rare nowadays.

My migraines could last from 12 hours to, once, five days. Average 24 hours. Interestingly, migraines usually hit whenever I didn’t need to work - weekends, holidays, etc. I was a workaholic, constantly on the go and under pressure - you’d think that the migraines would have been triggered by job stress, but no. They hit hardest when I was free from immediate responsibility. Probably some weird psychological connection there.

No flashing lights, but I would see yellow and black checkerboard patterns. Closed my eyes and I’d see an expanding and contracting yellow ring on a black field. Hate the color yellow. Nausea, vomiting, the usual.

I tried pretty much every acute onset prescription med available over the years, with limited success. The worst was mint flavored sublingual ergotamine, as mint intensified the nausea. A drug whose name escapes me containing acetaminophen, butalbital, and caffeine (I remember the ABC bit...) was fairly effective, but IIRC was taken off the market sometime in the late 80s-ish. Sumatripan (nasal spray version) worked well if I could take it right at the onset - but once the attack had started had little effect. The most effective management med was taking Propranolol daily as a preventative - that cut down the number of attacks significantly.

Once when I was in Beijing during an attack my colleague dragged me to an herbalist, who came up with a tea that worked wonders. I remember it contained chrysanthemum, but I’m not sure what else. How I wish I could find that label…

Generally once an attack was in full force the only thing that worked was lying very still in a dark silent room with an ice pack over my eyes, waiting it out. Once the attack subsided I found myself craving very cold cranberry juice.

Food triggers include mint, garlic, raw onions, dark chocolate, white wines (not red!), soft and blue cheeses. Smell triggers included garlic, raw onions, fish, any heavy perfume. Smells seemed to be stronger triggers than taste. Certain high pitched sounds could trigger a migraine as well. Insomnia seemed to correlate with migraine attacks.

I have no idea why the migraines stopped - possibly hormonal - but thank doG they did!

Hope you find a way to manage yours.

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Re: migraine?

When I was younger I used to suffer from very strong migraine, usually triggered by my hormones (typically, period-related).

Taking the pill and then 2 pregnancies greatly diminished the frequency of my migraine. When I still have one, taking 1g Dafalgan and 400mg Ibuprofen at the same time as soon as I feel the first pain help me go through the worse.

But what truly handicaps me, more than the pain, is the aura: visual disturbances and smell hallucinations, plus hyper sensitivity to sounds.
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Yes, and Johnson and Johnson, makers of paracetamol in the US market, is a charity foundation.

For those who use it, you should know that paracetamol (dafalgan) is one of the most common causes of poisoning worldwide and is the leading cause of acute liver failure in the US and UK. The danger comes mainly from how similar the theraputic and toxic doses ( it is about 2.5 fold). For this reason, overdosing in children is an especially large concern.

Oh, and I was hospitalized for three days during my last pregnancy, due to a migraine that was affecting the fetal heart rate enough to consider emergency cesarian delivery, for which I signed release forms. The only drug I could be given was paracetamol. It did...nothing. For three days.

Most strong medicaments, for example Dafalgan and Treupel, if taken too often over a too long period, can cause various problems ranging from liver problems to various sorts of cancer. This also applies to medicines for the treatment of Haemmorhoidal problems, in which case the docs say that if it does not go away within a week you have to consult the doctor

What you describe above sounds a bit as if it either was the wrong medicament for the purpose OR that your body did not react as the docs expected. Patients react differently to the same product

Also the company producing the TREUPEL products
http://www.medapharma.ch/index.php?i...activeLetter=T has many different products on offer
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Most strong medicaments, for example Dafalgan and Treupel, if taken too often over a too long period, can cause various problems ranging from liver problems to various sorts of cancer. This also applies to medicines for the treatment of Haemmorhoidal problems, in which case the docs say that if it does not go away within a week you have to consult the doctor

What you describe above sounds a bit as if it either was the wrong medicament for the purpose OR that your body did not react as the docs expected. Patients react differently to the same product

Also the company producing the TREUPEL products
http://www.medapharma.ch/index.php?i...activeLetter=T has many different products on offer
Actually, a single day overdose of paracetamol (10 grams, as opposed to the 4 grams that is the recommended daily dose) is enough to cause severe liver damage. The risk is high enough that the FDA is considering lowering the adult dose from 1 gram 4x per day to 625 mg 4x per day. There is no other OTC pain reliever that has such a small margin between the recommended dose and a toxic dose.

Also, you may not be aware (having never been pregnant), that paracetamol is basically the only pain reliever given to pregnant women, especially in the last trimester. Ibuprofen and other NSAIDs are particularly problematic, because they can cause bleeding problems. Any stronger drugs can have adverse effects on the fetus and have not been well studied (for obvious reasons). So, the doctors didn't really expect it to work-they had no other option. It's just an example of how paracetamol isn't a wonder drug-it doesn't work for everyone.

And, of course, I had taken it at the first sign of a migraine (with caffeine).
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