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What's the standard in the US? 20lbs? I think we had a 20lb machine before we came here. It did seem bigger, but it was also a top loader with an agitator.
I'm using a Maytag top loader without an agitator at the house in the US - 4.8cu ft. No idea how that translates to kg. volume measurements here.

But it's freakin' big.

And quick - All the bedding can be washed in 30 minutes.

And energy efficient, and water efficient.

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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

do you have small children? cause if you do no matter which one you go with I would make sure it is a top loader, or else they will forever be touching the buttons and stopping your laundry in the middle of a cycle.

we bought ours on sale ( it is valued at 1,000 chf) we paid 500 chf brand new! so I would recommend just go to different stores and price shop.

Also I think you might have to inform your landlord that you plan on installing a washing machine and I think a professional has to install it for you...we had to inform our landlord.

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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

So an update on my washing machine drama... I've been using the Whirlpool 9kg for 6 days now, done some 30 loads of laundry (A very muddy week without a machine...)

I like it so far.

The machine is rated as a commercial machine, but sold as semi-professional because it is 'only' 9kg. The drum is the same size as my 8kg machine was, but because it's designed to be more robust one can wash a heavier (cotton) load.

Now - not all loads can be 9kg - the weight of the load depends on the type of item being washed and how dirty it is. The manual includes a very clear chart detailing what should be washed and how - something my other machines did not have.

Still not big enough to wash the matelasse, but can't have everything I suppose.

With the 40% discount that the Whirlpool rep offered (without my even asking for it), the price was not much more than many domestic machines at Fust - and a bit less than the 8kg Miele.

Fust had been quoting me significantly more for heavy-duty machines. Not this one, as they don't carry it - but similar 9kg semi-professional machines.

What that suggests to me is that there must be more give to pricing here in Switzerland than I had expected. If one is in the market for a new machine, it might behoove one to research prices with the big retailers but also to go direct to the local distributor and ask just how good a price they might be willing to give.

The real test will be year or two down the line, to see how it's held up...
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do you have small children? cause if you do no matter which one you go with I would make sure it is a top loader, or else they will forever be touching the buttons and stopping your laundry in the middle of a cycle.

we bought ours on sale ( it is valued at 1,000 chf) we paid 500 chf brand new! so I would recommend just go to different stores and price shop.

Also I think you might have to inform your landlord that you plan on installing a washing machine and I think a professional has to install it for you...we had to inform our landlord.

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My front loading washing machine has a child lock on it.
http://www.miele.ch/c/waschmaschinen...=WKR_900-70_CH
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I have used some 10 machines so far, and very happy with the performance of Schulthess (it is provided in the common washing facility of our building). The machine cleans very good (including some strains that other machines could not clean with same programs/detergents). Tumble dryer is working ok, but not sure what could distinguish it.

A downside: the tumble drier had to go for repair already once (was away for two weeks approx) and machine also had some minor repair. If I remember correctly, the machine is only about 3 years old (though being used constantly)
seems i gave some wrong info, or tumble dryer is not schulthess
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

We have a miele and its really good, (almost!) silent.
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We have a miele and its really good, (almost!) silent.
Same here.
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

Bringing this thread back up, because only 20 months later... you guessed it... my 'home professional' machine died. The heating element/system/whatever failed.

(Murphy's law - I have three sick dogs on my hands right now, which means anything they touch needs to be washed every day. Not the best time to be without a washing machine..)

OK, the machine is still within the guarantee for some of the parts so assuming it's repairable hopefully some of the costs will be covered.

However this doesn't bode well.

So looking ahead to my next machine... If a 'home professional' machine can't stand up to my laundry load, I wonder if what Fust calls 'Merhfamilienhaus' machines would be a better choice.

I'm looking for a robust machine that can stand up to daily use, 1-5 loads per day.

(According to the repairman two years ago, few home machines are rated for daily use, 5 loads per week is pushing it.)


Do any of you know this Shulthess machine, and if so, what do you think?

https://www.fust.ch/de/p/haushalt/wa...0-8150681.html

Downside: only 8 kg, less for the programs I would likely use most often.

Any thoughts from those who need to do a similar amount of laundry would be appreciated.
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Do any of you know this Shulthess machine, and if so, what do you think?

https://www.fust.ch/de/p/haushalt/wa...0-8150681.html

Downside: only 8 kg, less for the programs I would likely use most often.
That's the communal machine in my apartment block, and judging by the service manual, it's about 4yrs old now.

I only use the 40 degree express wash (25mins) and the wool setting (30 degree) express wash combinations. Haven't had any problems with it all and it serves 6 apartments. Because I'm on the top floor, and the machine is 6 flights of stairs below, I tend to do 4 or 5 washes back to back, and my neighbour with two kids also does several washes a week.
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Old 16.02.2016, 15:43
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

I have the Bosch Logixx series washer and separate dryer. They get used at least 16 times a week (we have a LOT Of house guests throughout the year). They've been great - no issues at all, no servicing needed and circa 7 years old. I am right on top of giving them regular anti-calc runs and diligent about the lint filters though.....and I use most of the cycle types on offer, and am consistently changing water temperatures as well.

I previously had a top loading LG washing machine which I adored (strong word for an appliance but it really was a wonderful machine!), but haven't been able to find here.

We'll be in the market for an extra washing machine & dryer shortly (new holiday house) so I'm reading this post with great interest! We also need a minimum of 8kg for washing, and the choices don't seem to be as great in the larger sized appliances here in Swissy.
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I have the Bosch Logixx series washer and separate dryer.
I used to have a Bosch dryer in the Uk that lasted 10yrs with only one new heater element and a new door hinge. Much to my disgust, replaced it with a cheap as chips Indesit, but I have to admit it's far better than the Bosch. Won't buy Bosch now on principle (worst client I ever had).

Miele are coming top of the surveys in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-tomorrow.html
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

A few comments:

Don't buy anything from Fust. You will end up paying way over the odds. Anyone can take out and install a washing machine. Getting it level is the only thing that takes any effort.
Use www.toppreise.ch to check the options and order on-line.
Hardly anyone carries stock these days so they all order from the manufacturer's warehouse. Why pay more for ordering from a store.
Try to buy the best model that meets your needs but is the most simple system (least electronic). Simple is good and will last longer.
Cheap and cheerful might be your better option with an expected life of 6+ years (run the numbers - it might be cheaper to do this vs a top of the line) and change after.
Given your situation do you have space for two machines? If so, go for 2 x 7-8kg machines and alternate them to extend the life. It will be cheaper than a 10kg professional model for sure.
Look at brands link Samsung (Media Markt and others) that are trying to break into the market. You might get better value rather than a second tier brand from a store.
If there is an extended warranty you might want to go with it (if not too expensive - once again run the numbers).

After all of that we are using a new Siemens 8kg and are happy with it (but budget wise for your situation it might be a bit on the high side).
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

A few ideas:

A 12 kg model from Samsung for CHF 1'199 (MM is just CHF 30 more than the best on Toppreise)

https://shop.mediamarkt.ch/de/hausha...s/idpfty85rjsz

A 9 kg Siemens model for only CHF 900. You could buy 4 of them for the price of the model sold by Fust

http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_412696.html

Another Siemens 9 kg model. A bit more expensive (CHF 1'100) to show you the possibilites.

http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_393332.html
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Given your situation do you have space for two machines? If so, go for 2 x 7-8kg machines and alternate them to extend the life. It will be cheaper than a 10kg professional model for sure.
Look at brands link Samsung (Media Markt and others) that are trying to break into the market. You might get better value rather than a second tier brand from a store.
Seconded.

Conforama have got a sale on washing machines at the moment, including my old faithful Indesit. I've had three now (at different houses) and they've never let me down. The one in my house in the UK is 23yrs old and the body work is failing but not the motor. But that's just me...I want the machine to simply wash my clothes, not do my tax returns, and I also want a manufacturer whose bread and butter is making these appliances.

Siemens own Bosch, so I wonder if the panel is the only difference...

Agree on Samsung being worth a look.

Wouldn't ever touch Hotpoint / Candy / Whirlpool with a very long barge pole, and especially now that they're involved in a huge recall case in the UK that they reckon will take up to 4yrs to resolve. Negligent? Pfft! My two friends whose machines caught fire many years ago are loving seeing this company suffer in the media.
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

We just had the 4year old Vzug machine in our cellar replaced as it was dying. The third one out of eight that were supplied in our building! The landlord has replaced with the updated model so hopefully it lasts a bit longer. Considering I do between 3 and 6 washes a week, I would have expected better life.

Our Siemans is now 10 years old and still going strong, main machine for 6 years when we were in Belgium and now situated in our house in France so not so often. I really like it.

As an aside, and the real reason for writing this post, I did learn something from the engineer that replaced the broken machine. He suggests that if you usually use a washing liquid then it is a good idea to use a powder once a week, on a hotter wash, as this will help to clean away any liquid residue and keep your machine cleaner and smelling fresh. I am going to give it a try.
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Seconded.

Conforama have got a sale on washing machines at the moment, including my old faithful Indesit. I've had three now (at different houses) and they've never let me down. The one in my house in the UK is 23yrs old and the body work is failing but not the motor. But that's just me...I want the machine to simply wash my clothes, not do my tax returns, and I also want a manufacturer whose bread and butter is making these appliances.

Siemens own Bosch, so I wonder if the panel is the only difference...

Agree on Samsung being worth a look.

Wouldn't ever touch Hotpoint / Candy / Whirlpool with a very long barge pole, and especially now that they're involved in a huge recall case in the UK that they reckon will take up to 4yrs to resolve. Negligent? Pfft! My two friends whose machines caught fire many years ago are loving seeing this company suffer in the media.
As with most things it comes down to individual experience. I personally wouldn't touch Indesit with a barge pole as we had many problems with their appliances but have had very good experience with Candy washing machines. We had our first one for over twenty years ( and five international moves) and it was brilliant, so good in fact that we replaced it with another one. This one saw very heavy use for over 15 years until we moved here 6 years ago and is still going strong in our house there to this day. Neither of them needed any maintenance at all ever.

We only ever go for simple models as in my experience the all singing all dancing models are a total waste as most people only ever use two or three programmes.
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

In the basement we got "Schultheiss" Washing Machines, they are very good.
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

We have had Miele and they are very good and reliable; especially if you have a family and a lot of washing!
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Some playing with the numbers (since frankly no one is marrying their washing machine).

Let's say you pay CHF 1'000 for the machine (some examples above). A good, top level machine (via the Internet) without going into a "professional" machine.

Let's say the machine lasts for the 2 year guarantee period then dies. Tough luck. You get 730 days use out of it.

1 load per day costs you CHF 1.37 per load (total 730 loads)
2 loads per day costs you CHF 0.68 per load (total 1'460 loads)
3 loads per day costs you CHF 0.46 per load (total 2'190 loads)

So any time "gained" on the 2 years could be considered a bonus and the price per load drops dramatically. For example, CHF 1'000 machine for 8 years @ 2 loads per day (5'840 loads) or CHF 0.17 per load! A machine that does 4 loads per day but lasts only 4 years gives you the same cost per load!

You add CHF 0.20 - 0.25 per load for the detergent (Ariel) and you get your total cost per load.

The calculations are there. It is probably unreasonable in CH to ask a machine to last 10+ years (any more) since they are now more complicated (electronics) and the hard/very hard water in CH wears out anything that comes in contact with it (dishwasher, washing machine, water heater). We took the decision to change our washing machine when the Siemens service guy was using a chisel to hammer out the built up lime from the pump.
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Re: Washing Machines...which brands are best?

The issue with tumble dryer fires in the UK is gathering pace with fires still happening, and yes, Indesit are included in the recall.

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/hot-t...r-tumble-drier
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