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Indeed.

Exemple: LV

LV ordered 400 bags from a manufacturer in China. Manufacturer produce the order and send it to LV. With leftover, produce an other X amount of bags with small different details and ship it to Y to sell them.

Note that this is for all brands.


Note that LV does not produce in China. Ever. They do not order anything from a manufacturer but produce in house (Exception: sunglasses, all major brands are made in the same Italian factory and no, they do not produce the knock offs there...).


It is the number one explanation for product copies that they are "made on the nightshift" in the same factory. It simply is not true in 99% of the cases. A manufacturer would never risk good business with a global brand to sell a handful of knock-offs on the side for next to no money. If the knock off bag costs 20 EUR on the streets of Barcelona you can imagine what wage the factory worker must be living on...


Product piracy is big business and they have professional processes. They buy a genuine article, measure it, tear it into it's pieces and copy it. My wife (being Chinese) has been asked by some rather shady Chinese guys in front of some high end designer shops in Paris if she would go into a boutique and buy a specific piece for them as "the shop would not sell to us"... they had a wad of cash and were even willing to pay for doing so. (No, we didn't.)
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I remember reading somewhere a while ago (possibly BBC) that famous brands order clothes from a number of factories ad pick one. Others sell the same stuff for cheaper and without the label. But apparently there is some mafia involved.

Is there any truth to this? :-)
If I recall correctly, this wasn't the high end designer labels. The news report I watched was concerning the factories that produce for the high street brand "Next". The same factory produced garments on the same production line for the Asda supermarket brand "George". Basically the same production (if not the exact same designs) at a lower cost.
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Indeed.

Exemple: LV

LV ordered 400 bags from a manufacturer in China. Manufacturer produce the order and send it to LV. With leftover, produce an other X amount of bags with small different details and ship it to Y to sell them.

Note that this is for all brands.

H&M wants to create his new collection. Send designers to the fashion week around the world, copy the design by sketching, taking pictures in the changing room, buying the garment. Back in the headquarter, the garment is measured, unstitched, etc. design is created with small different changes and cheaper material.

Again, note that all high street brands do that.
This will sound very stupid, but everyone here seems to know what LV is except for me.
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This will sound very stupid, but everyone here seems to know what LV is except for me.

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Note that LV does not produce in China. Ever. They do not order anything from a manufacturer but produce in house (Exception: sunglasses, all major brands are made in the same Italian factory and no, they do not produce the knock offs there...).


It is the number one explanation for product copies that they are "made on the nightshift" in the same factory. It simply is not true in 99% of the cases. A manufacturer would never risk good business with a global brand to sell a handful of knock-offs on the side for next to no money. If the knock off bag costs 20 EUR on the streets of Barcelona you can imagine what wage the factory worker must be living on...


Product piracy is big business and they have professional processes. They buy a genuine article, measure it, tear it into it's pieces and copy it. My wife (being Chinese) has been asked by some rather shady Chinese guys in front of some high end designer shops in Paris if she would go into a boutique and buy a specific piece for them as "the shop would not sell to us"... they had a wad of cash and were even willing to pay for doing so. (No, we didn't.)
Those knock-off goods aren't the same than the counterfeit made with original products sold for 400-500 euros.

Out of interest do you work in the industry?


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This will sound very stupid, but everyone here seems to know what LV is except for me.
It is probably Louis Vuitton.
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It is probably Louis Vuitton.
Isn't that the guy who said "let them eat cake"?

With his head severed from his body, no wonder he's not able to produce anything in China.
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The "cake" line (which was apparently brioche in French) is often attributed to Marie Antoinette, but it is also widely believed to be a fake quote as far as I understand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
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Actually it Turkey it is possible to get copies of some famous brand bags for some 100-200frs but of excellent quality, with great leather, etc.

Not sure under what conditions they are produced though.
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I can't find much hope in these replies. Buying planetickets etc. just for shopping seems a bit outrageous to me. I think a stay in Switzerland will be good for my wallet. Anyway I didn't do any clothesshopping since my arrival here.
You seem to be somewhat contradicting yourself. Your original post stated that you find "clothing boring in Basel and you can't find anything," and here you state that "you haven't been shopping yet!" Anyways, Switzerland has "everything"' you need in clothing you just have to do your homework. Personally, I buy ALL of my clothing in Switzerland and I'm extremely picky. Unless I'm traveling then of course, if I see something I like, I buy it.

I've also worked in the fashion business in Switzerland for many years. Not only with Swiss companies but companies from Russia, Italy, Austria, India, US, etc... Additionally, I've purchased top designer clothing like "authentic" Ralph Lauren shirts for $50 and mix them with another piece of clothing from a more mainstream shop right in Switzerland and I have access to shopping from various stores from around the world! But, if you're from the US and used to going grocery shopping in your pajama bottoms and flip-flops, it doesn't fly here.

There are tons of clothing stores in Switzerland, you just have to give yourself time and find the ones that suit your style. That's the key, you have to have your own "style", then it's easier to find what you want. Unless you are looking for pants with "three" legs, shirts with built-in Internet access, or shoes with propellers on them, or something totally absurd, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to find what you need in Switzerland. And if you like really "cheap" fashion, you can find that in Switzerland as well.

Of course, larger cities have more stores than Switzerland but that doesn't necessarily mean better choices, you just have more of them! Whenever I have been to London, I've had to "dig" to find what I want when clothes shopping though they have tons of stores! I do like Harrods, designer shops, and a couple of the mainstream stores, but it's neither here nor there for me.

You could also try catalog shopping from companies like La Redoute. They have branches around the world including Switzerland. There's no need to take a flight to London or US for clothing...IMHO...they can't compare to European style. I don't consider London fashion European, which does not mean you won't find great fashion there, but you can find great style in Switzerland too, if you take the time to look for it. However, I will admit that New York City is one of my favorite cities in the world and has tons of outlets for shopping. Yet, whenever I am there, I don't go "specifically" for shopping because Switzerland, or Europe in general, has everything! Good Luck...
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Actually it Turkey it is possible to get copies of some famous brand bags for some 100-200frs but of excellent quality, with great leather, etc.

Not sure under what conditions they are produced though.
If they catch you coming across the border with them in Switzerland they will be confiscated.
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Out of interest do you work in the industry?
I'd be a rubbish fashion designer...

I am working as a consultant automating business processes. One of the fun parts of the job is that I work with everyone from banks over consumer goods to industrial companies. One of the global companies which owns some very well known brands is currently my client and I enjoy learning how they work. Dealing with copies, from the cheap street knock off to the really quality copy is a major thing for them.


A friend of mine worked for a project at Oakley. Fun storey: The company bought and old Soviet tank which they allegedly use from time to time to drive over confiscated copies of their sunglasses.
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You seem to be somewhat contradicting yourself. Your original post stated that you find "clothing boring in Basel and you can't find anything," and here you state that "you haven't been shopping yet!" Anyways, Switzerland has "everything"' you need in clothing you just have to do your homework. Personally, I buy ALL of my clothing in Switzerland and I'm extremely picky. Unless I'm traveling then of course, if I see something I like, I buy it.

I've also worked in the fashion business in Switzerland for many years. Not only with Swiss companies but companies from Russia, Italy, Austria, India, US, etc... Additionally, I've purchased top designer clothing like "authentic" Ralph Lauren shirts for $50 and mix them with another piece of clothing from a more mainstream shop right in Switzerland and I have access to shopping from various stores from around the world! But, if you're from the US and used to going grocery shopping in your pajama bottoms and flip-flops, it doesn't fly here.

There are tons of clothing stores in Switzerland, you just have to give yourself time and find the ones that suit your style. That's the key, you have to have your own "style", then it's easier to find what you want. Unless you are looking for pants with "three" legs, shirts with built-in Internet access, or shoes with propellers on them, or something totally absurd, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to find what you need in Switzerland. And if you like really "cheap" fashion, you can find that in Switzerland as well.

Of course, larger cities have more stores than Switzerland but that doesn't necessarily mean better choices, you just have more of them! Whenever I have been to London, I've had to "dig" to find what I want when clothes shopping though they have tons of stores! I do like Harrods, designer shops, and a couple of the mainstream stores, but it's neither here nor there for me.

You could also try catalog shopping from companies like La Redoute. They have branches around the world including Switzerland. There's no need to take a flight to London or US for clothing...IMHO...they can't compare to European style. I don't consider London fashion European, which does not mean you won't find great fashion there, but you can find great style in Switzerland too, if you take the time to look for it. However, I will admit that New York City is one of my favorite cities in the world and has tons of outlets for shopping. Yet, whenever I am there, I don't go "specifically" for shopping because Switzerland, or Europe in general, has everything! Good Luck...
Well I mean I looked out for clothes in many shops but I didn't buy anything... that's what I mean by didn't do any shopping... the action was not completed. (I try to express myself in the right way in a foreign language). I just need to find the right shop and get it over with. Actually I found my style already but I can't find the right shop here, and I don't like to visit hundreds of shops again to find the right one. I can't buy on the internet, I really have to try the clothes on.

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If they catch you coming across the border with them in Switzerland they will be confiscated.
Never bought any :-)

Actually them being fake was an assumption, maybe they are even produced in the same factory. Not sure if the same goes for bags as for the clothes.
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LV ordered 400 bags from a manufacturer in China. Manufacturer produce the order and send it to LV. With leftover, produce an other X amount of bags with small different details and ship it to Y to sell them.
Actually my question was in a different direction. Not about reproduced lower quality ones but initially produced ones and decided to not be sold by the original brand.
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A friend of mine worked for a project at Oakley. Fun storey: The company bought and old Soviet tank which they allegedly use from time to time to drive over confiscated copies of their sunglasses.
Of course with the tv cameras looking on.

I've often wondered, are stunts like that faked?

I've never seen anybody being stopped by customs and having stuff taken away from them. On the contrary, I have the impression customs look the other way as much as they can. They're in the business of catching people they can fine. Money makes the world go round and pays their bonuses, not counterfeit goods you can drive a tank over.

And even if they do occasionally send in random items to keep up the presence they're doing something, is that sufficient to keep a Russian tank in business?
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And even if they do occasionally send in random items to keep up the presence they're doing something, is that sufficient to keep a Russian tank in business?

I said allegedly on the crushing of fakes, but I do know for a fact that they have that tank. It's parked in front of their HQ and business partners can take it for a spin... my friend showed me some photos of him driving it.


A quick google shows me that others have done so as well:
http://www.oakley.com/sports/mtb/athletes/43/posts/1325
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I've never seen anybody being stopped by customs and having stuff taken away from them. On the contrary, I have the impression customs look the other way as much as they can. They're in the business of catching people they can fine. Money makes the world go round and pays their bonuses, not counterfeit goods you can drive a tank over.
I am not sure they could really distinguish. I personally do not know even which models exit for which brands (as most of people I believe), not to on top be able to see if something is fake because it misses some detail.
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Anyways, Switzerland has "everything"' you need in clothing you just have to do your homework. Personally, I buy ALL of my clothing in Switzerland and I'm extremely picky. Unless I'm traveling then of course, if I see something I like, I buy it.
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... Additionally, I've purchased top designer clothing like "authentic" Ralph Lauren shirts for $50 and mix them with another piece of clothing from a more mainstream shop right in Switzerland and I have access to shopping from various stores from around the world!
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There are tons of clothing stores in Switzerland, you just have to give yourself time and find the ones that suit your style. That's the key, you have to have your own "style", then it's easier to find what you want. Unless you are looking for pants with "three" legs, shirts with built-in Internet access, or shoes with propellers on them, or something totally absurd, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to find what you need in Switzerland. And if you like really "cheap" fashion, you can find that in Switzerland as well.

Of course, larger cities have more stores than Switzerland but that doesn't necessarily mean better choices, you just have more of them! Whenever I have been to London, I've had to "dig" to find what I want when clothes shopping though they have tons of stores! I do like Harrods, designer shops, and a couple of the mainstream stores, but it's neither here nor there for me.
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There's no need to take a flight to London or US for clothing...IMHO...they can't compare to European style. I don't consider London fashion European, which does not mean you won't find great fashion there, but you can find great style in Switzerland too, if you take the time to look for it. However, I will admit that New York City is one of my favorite cities in the world and has tons of outlets for shopping. Yet, whenever I am there, I don't go "specifically" for shopping because Switzerland, or Europe in general, has everything! Good Luck...
Absolutely. Besides, if I'd make this kind of shopping trips I'd almost surely end up buying lots of stuff that a.) I don't need. b.) Once I'd be back at home I'd think "What the heck was in my mind when I bought this". . Bad choice for my money and time.
The only place I'd devote more time to shopping would be Italy because I noticed I could find more things that suit me and can combine with the stuff I already have.
It's a question of taste.
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I am not sure they could really distinguish. I personally do not know even which models exit for which brands (as most of people I believe), not to on top be able to see if something is fake because it misses some detail.


I think it's much more that cops prefer to catching criminals over harassing citizens. (Only if they absolutely cannot find a single criminal do they fall back to the second choice...)


I'd say the customs rather like to catch somebody importing a ton of fake handbags than checking every tourists Gucci bag. If I was a customs officer would I also feel better when I caught a drug trafficker vs a teenager with a fake Rolex. So they spend their attention and time accordingly. I think it's a good thing (except that the Swiss custom has their priorities in my eyes slightly off when it comes to chasing meat shoppers...).
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