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Zalando & ethical shopping

A recent investigation by german TV on Zalando logistics center in Erfurt started a heated debate on "ethical" shopping. This scandal is very similar to the one that affected Amazon germany a few months ago. We won't buy chinese products made by kids or under unacceptable social conditions. Do we tolerate the same in Europe? The new nickname of Zalando in germany is "Sklavando".


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Yes one should boycott them and alot of other companies who exploit others for the sake of big profits.But the general community is just so (a)pathetic
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A recent investigation by german TV on Zalando logistics center in Erfurt started a heated debate on "ethical" shopping. This scandal is very similar to the one that affected Amazon germany a few months ago. We won't buy chinese products made by kids or under unacceptable social conditions. Do we tolerate the same in Europe? The new nickname of Zalando in germany is "Sklavando".


PS:topic posted here because of huge presence of those online retailers in Switzerland.
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Having worked in several shitty jobs in my previous life in England, I can tell you for a fact that small employer will screw you over much, much more effectively than any faceless corporation.

When you're at the bottom of the pile, you're going to get shafted anyway. At least it's an income.

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When you're at the bottom of the pile, you're going to get shafted anyway. At least it's an income.
True, but isn't better to shaft a white person and let the tinted ones die of hunger? Are we contributing to world overpopulation by purchasing from the likes of Zalando?
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Re: Zalando & ethical shopping

mmm.. I know nothing about this case, what it is strange to me is that quite always those issues/claims/you call it do start in Germany, just very few of them in the rest of the world where those companies are. Is it just a case?

I've been working for multinationals with offices and operations in many many countries, I'm not sure Germany is the only one looking after workers' wellfare, for sure is a country where workers councils can (and very often do) opposite to many things, no matter if these things are positive o negative for business and workers. Sometimes (I say it again sometimes) those claims/oppositions are just functional to gain negotial power..........
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Re: Zalando & ethical shopping

Well seeing I was on the topic from Zalando prices I thought I might as well put a first post here

Buying from Zalando

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Having worked in several shitty jobs in my previous life in England, I can tell you for a fact that small employer will screw you over much, much more effectively than any faceless corporation.

When you're at the bottom of the pile, you're going to get shafted anyway. At least it's an income.

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Here's an interesting book-but unfortunately only in German


http://www.amazon.de/Das-Hermes-Fias.../dp/3844245200


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A recent investigation by german TV on Zalando logistics center in Erfurt started a heated debate on "ethical" shopping. This scandal is very similar to the one that affected Amazon germany a few months ago. We won't buy chinese products made by kids or under unacceptable social conditions. Do we tolerate the same in Europe? The new nickname of Zalando in germany is "Sklavando".


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Re: Zalando & ethical shopping

Zalando - and Amazon for that matter - have a great business model, and it's so perfect for customers. They both answer a need and do it in a very efficient and inexpensive manner. Of course it comes at a price. But for the majority of the customers, it makes perfect sense to go to something practical, comfortable, easy and inexpensive rather than going shopping in Globus on a saturday afternoon.

Personally I don't do well with the almost harassment of vendors, with the heat and crowd in clothes shops. I think this is one of the most horrible things. Whereas online shopping from my sofa, picling up the package at the post, trying at home, sending back what I don't like or doesn't suit me for free... this is really great! Of course I know that when I do my shopping online, someone is actually doing the work for me, on schedule and for a shitty pay. What can I do?

When I buy food there also are people working to make sure I can get it and I am satisfied with it.
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actually I feel shopping online is somewhat anti-social-it lacks human content
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Zalando - and Amazon for that matter - have a great business model, and it's so perfect for customers. They both answer a need and do it in a very efficient and inexpensive manner. Of course it comes at a price. But for the majority of the customers, it makes perfect sense to go to something practical, comfortable, easy and inexpensive rather than going shopping in Globus on a saturday afternoon.

Personally I don't do well with the almost harassment of vendors, with the heat and crowd in clothes shops. I think this is one of the most horrible things. Whereas online shopping from my sofa, picling up the package at the post, trying at home, sending back what I don't like or doesn't suit me for free... this is really great! Of course I know that when I do my shopping online, someone is actually doing the work for me, on schedule and for a shitty pay. What can I do?

When I buy food there also are people working to make sure I can get it and I am satisfied with it.
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Having worked in several shitty jobs in my previous life in England, I can tell you for a fact that small employer will screw you over much, much more effectively than any faceless corporation.

When you're at the bottom of the pile, you're going to get shafted anyway. At least it's an income.
Well now they have these so-called "zero hours" contracts with no guarantee of any income. If these contracts are as described then slavery would be a step up; usually slaves get regular meals (although of variable quality).
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Well now they have these so-called "zero hours" contracts with no guarantee of any income. If these contracts are as described then slavery would be a step up; usually slaves get regular meals (although of variable quality).
I worked down the park on a zero hours contract way back in 1988. There's nothing new about them at all.

(We used to pray for days with changeable weather - too hot and we'd have to work too hard; too wet and we'd be sent home: unsettled days meant we could sit in the golf hut and drink tea until the boss could think of something to give us to do )
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Re: Zalando & ethical shopping

Thank you for making us aware of this. Sadly, when life is so busy and we have limited time to accomplish family, artistic pursuits and ambitions we sometimes realize we are not aware of some of the important issues that surround us. I will read up on this some more.
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"actually I feel shopping online is somewhat anti-social-it lacks human content"
That's good given some of the grumpy gits in certain shops here. Their faces might crack if they actually smile. I complimented a till girl last week saying how lovely it was to see someone there who smiles at the till 'cos the usual one is like Droopy in a rain shower.
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(We used to pray for days with changeable weather - too hot and we'd have to work too hard; too wet and we'd be sent home: unsettled days meant we could sit in the golf hut and drink tea until the boss could think of something to give us to do )
So it was you messing up my game of golf with those weather prayers.
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Yes one should boycott them and alot of other companies who exploit others for the sake of big profits.But the general community is just so (a)pathetic
Sure, why not.

The only problem is how do you know the companies you buy from instead are any better than the ones you choose not to buy from?
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Sure, why not.

The only problem is how do you know the companies you buy from instead are any better than the ones you choose not to buy from?
I'd say big corporations don't float around in a vacuum, and public opinion does matter to them. Shitstorms on Twitter sometimes even more so. If they see large numbers of customers defecting. they may see that as a cue to put things in order even if the difference between them and their competitors is perception and not reality.

Often the cost differences between totally unethical practices and sort of pretend semi ethical practices are not as big as people think. It may be worth rowing back a bit if it bolsters public opinion.
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