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Old 22.03.2008, 07:18
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Dodgey electrical wiring

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The electrical wiring in our flat/apartment is fairly dodgey. For starters there at least 2 places where (live?) wires hang out of the ceiling & wall. Only a few of the light switches seem to make a logical connection with the position of the light - e.g.: the switch closest to the lounge room light activates the kitchen, and everytime Mrs Wibble starts up her PDP-11 (computer) in the wintergarten (sunroom) it throws the trip for the circuit - taking out the wintergarten, kitchen && one bedroom.

Is this sort of thing common in Swiss apartments?

And while I have your attention: There must be 14 phone-connection sockets in the apartment (ok, there's really only 6) but only one works. I was expecting these all to be connected to the same circuit. Would I call an electrician to have the connection 'moved' from the kids room to somewhere more appropriate ? There doesn't seem to be a comms junction box in the apartment.

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PS> Mrs Wibble doesn't really have a PDP-11, more's the pitty.
(that was an inline-joke for nostalgic computer-scientists)
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Old 22.03.2008, 07:23
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Re: Dodgey electrical wiring

When we first moved into our flat, all the ceilings had wires hanging out of them. Mr Man put light fittings onto them and hey presto, problem solved. Could you speak to your landlord about your problems, after all, if it's anything like Zug you pay a kings ransom in rent.
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Old 22.03.2008, 08:46
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Hey,

The electrical wiring in our flat/apartment is fairly dodgey.



And while I have your attention: There must be 14 phone-connection sockets in the apartment (ok, there's really only 6) but only one works.
(that was an inline-joke for nostalgic computer-scientists)
About your wiring of lights, check around on your plugs on the wall for symbols like an open bridge (flat line, small rising ramp, new flat line). This little indication means one of the plugs is operated by the light switch on the wall.
It is normal to have lights removed from rooms when you move out, but the actual wiring of some lights may be done DIY style.


For your phone, call Swisscom and get someone in to have it looked at. Electricians can do the work, but Swisscom are responsible to get them activated and "in service".
Remember this, since the old analogue system is becoming phased out, the new digital service renders some of the old cabling useless. If you see a phone jack, it doesn't necessarily mean it can be used.
Good luck or buy portable!
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Remember this, since the old analogue system is becoming phased out, the new digital service renders some of the old cabling useless.
Is it - do you have any links or more info for this? (I'm interested). I thought the analogue phone system would be around a long time as this is often used and installed even in new buildings and no replacement (the digtal ISDN, has came and mostly gone from the domestic market) proposed... or am I reading the wrong tech papers

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Old 22.03.2008, 09:43
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It is a changing trend. Not only for phones, but TV services.
Read the local papers and go to Swisscom. Everything is going digital.
Sky for example, so I'm told, have killed all their old analogue satellites.
TNT for local free television has also (or will soon) killed analogue transmission to setup up for faster, clearer systems.

I am not saying analogue is dead completely, but the old larger 4 pin analogue telephone(almost like a power socket) is part of this old technology.

Digital is the future, but some people need to keep the analogue for various reasons.
ISDN, DSL is very alive.
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Remember this, since the old analogue system is becoming phased out, the new digital service renders some of the old cabling useless. If you see a phone jack, it doesn't necessarily mean it can be used.
Good luck or buy portable!
I'm a bit puzzled by this one. As far as I know, the digital services are carried over the same bit of copper as your current analogue service - mine carries Swisscom ADSL (read: Skype et al ) as well as analogue. Moreover, the signal appears to be quite tolerant of non-twisted trajectory, because I've opened some of the sockets in my apartment and in the attic it's a simple 2 core cable that does the job - and it still works). Sockets, yes, I can see the 4 pin go but I must say that the Swiss gazillion pin socket was at firts a pain in the proverbial, plus the usual searching for which pins of the RJ11 sockets work here..

All said and done, it's still only 2 pins that really count .
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All said and done, it's still only 2 pins that really count .
Correct, until you get to VDSL or T2 - T4.
2 are normally used for voice, the other two are for data, copper wire seems the same, but termination points are what vary the speed and clarity.
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Correct, until you get to VDSL or T2 - T4.
2 are normally used for voice, the other two are for data, copper wire seems the same, but termination points are what vary the speed and clarity.
Very VERY, long and deep subject.
I haven't got VDSL (yet) but when I had Bluewin TV installed in Nov of 06 the first thing they did was to upgrade the wires from the hallway outside to the outlets inside (including the outlets as well) to all the rooms that had phone lines in them all at no cost to me (apartment is owner occupied). They said this was also to allow upgrade to VDSL once it's available in my area.
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Old 22.03.2008, 17:24
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We just received our VDSL package. Our house is only 4 years old, but we needed the LAN cables (4pr) to be at the TV for the 20 MBs line speed. Luckily the old analogue lines have never seen this place. I wouldn't want to pay for the rewiring, or even to do it myself.
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